The Future EU Army

I can see you have never been in the Military. No one over 40 can enter the US military. For good reason, they physically could not do it.
Germany has a labor shortage now. What would it look like if millions were conscripted?

Speaking of conscription, Germany ended conscription. Now they can not even raise an army of 200K.


Let me break down the rest for you. Out of that 6.31 million military aged Germans, half are women. Until recently they were not even allowed in the German Military and only on a very limited basis now. I don't have numbers on Germany but in the US 71% of the people in that age range can not pass the physical. That puts you at about 1 million in that age bracket who would be draftable if a draft existed. There are 5 million Muslims in Germany and the average age is 30. It is safe to assume that a sizable portion of that 1 million is Muslim.

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/germanys-typhoon... Read the date again, May 2018! We have November!

What you mean with "shared" is something else .... let me enlighten you:

As with other things, the Europeans are now working even more closely on air transport too with joint command structures too ... and the EATC -Europe Air Transport Command - which was founded in 2010, is based in the Netherlands on the Air Base in Eindhoven.
It coordinates the air transport fleets assigned by the partner nations Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and Spain with pooling and sharing for air transport, air refueling and AirMedEvac operations for the involved air forces of the partner nations.
Therefore, a yes ... German A400M also make transports for the Dutch armed forces in the context of EATC ... but also vice versa, the Dutch C-130H / H30 also fly for the German armed forces.

BTW ... the already admitted crass teething problems of the A400M seem to be solved so far. Thus, the A400M is simply an overpriced transport aircraft like the American Boing C-17, which works!

 

I have been in the military, and I specifically said people would enter at 19 (conscription), and get their training, and then remain in the reserves until 45 yrs old or so. I never said anyone would enter at 40. If a nation is attacked, people in their 40s (non-officers) can serve in many ways if not in front lines. When Soviets attacked Finland everyone between 17 and 55 picked up their rifles and fought them, and repealed the attack. Many women served as air raid observers and helped at the hospitals, munitions factories etc. In Finland all males still serve in the military, as do people in Switzerland. In Israel even the women serve. Countries who have a realistic chance or being attacked do whatever is necessary. Germany and other NATO countries have been under the protection of NATO, and therefore not everyone serves. Instead, they maintain a minimal force and lottery like system to draft some people into service.

US has the luxury of a very large population, where we can rely in a volunteer force of people in their prime, but many smaller countries do not have these luxuries.

You do what you have to do. If some cannot pass physical, you put them through a program to get them fit. That is not a good enough excuse. Other countries do this, so your "cannot be done" attitude is just negative thinking. Germany could easily create a very large and strong military if the political will is there.

I won't even bother with the muslim hysteria part of your post.

 

So you are saying the Germans fixed their aviation problems from May to November? All in 6 months?

Do you think the rest of the Euros are actually going to let Germany control any Army that they manage to come up with?

 

There is certainly no such short- or medium-term goal.

The German Chancellor will be the key EU leader after Merkel.

France is signaling the time has come for ending the voluntary restriction on German military forces.

Upgraded nuclear forces, stronger naval forces, and a larger army.

 

They will probably ask america for money to finance it..mooches and freeloaders

 

You should take some reading comprehension courses. A possibly a little reality training. I have no Muslim hysteria. If you read my post, I stated most of the Muslims in Germany fled their native countries to avoid military conscription. That is fact. However in your fantasy world these same Muslims are going to take up arms and fight for Germany.

I also find it amusing that you think you can put people with disabilities through a fitness program and make them fit for the military. A little reality check for you. Germany has a 179K military. Expanding to a military that can compete with the big 3 means a 1000% increase. This is not a possibility.

 

1. I said nothing about muslims.
2. I said nothing about people with disabilities

And you talk about comprehension.......

 

No, they just dictate that you have to take them all in.....like it or not.

 

See that is where comprehension comes in. You said all the 71% who didn't pass the physical needed was a fitness program. News flash, part of that 71% are disabled. You also accused me of "Muslim hysteria". Don't you pay attention to what you post. Of course I don't expect an intelligent answer from someone who thinks everyone under 40 is suitable for the military.

 

Stop putting words into my mouth. I did not say all. It is obvious disabled people would not serve in the military.

When you brought up the fact that many cannot pass physical, were you referring to disabled people, or those who are overweight or just out of shape? The only logical reason to mention it would be the fact that many people in Western world are fatter and less fit than before. I said that can be corrected by putting them through a program to make them lean and fit. You think Israelis, Finns and Swizz accept being out of shape as an excuse to skip military service? Hell no. Serving is a Constitutional duty. If you are fat, you made yourself a disservice, and now you have to go through extra discomfort to fix the problem. They have a program for it. When the rest of the guys are watching a movie in the evening, the fat dudes are humping in the woods carrying 80lb back-packs. If you are totally unfit, but not disabled, you can opt for civilian service, but it is uncommon.

In Israel you will be a part of the military reserves until you are 54, so yes, obviously it can be done. In Finland you are a part of the reserves until the year you turn 60. The war time roles change the older you get, but even the older people will serve in the rear.

Your "no can do" attitude sees everything as impossible. Look around, and see all those things you thought were impossible being done every day by those with "can do" attitudes.

Your muslim hysteria makes you say muslims are another reason for this being impossible in Germany. Its not impossible. Muslims are a non-issue. You are scraping for excuses to support your "it's impossible" argument. If Finland, with population of 5 million, can put together a war time armed force of 900 000, then how big a force could Germany put together with population of 82 million, assuming they used similar approach. The obvious truth is that they can assemble a massive military with far less effort / requirements than Finland. If they went s far as Finland, they could assemble a force of over 10 million.

 

Yes they did ...mostly!

And yes no. 2 ... the Germans still command units of other Europeans as also reversed German units are under command of CO's of other Europeans too. You have to look on the structures, for example this or that Brigade which si then mixed of units of different countries. One has the command of this Bigade and this is sometimes a German, sometimes another one.

I have no idea what you rant against us Germans should be ...
On one time you accuse not to do this and that, but if we we are accued that we do. So what now?

 

Oh....so you don't like Germans being ranted on. You Should have thought about that before dumping on the US with your usual rants. See how that works.

I don't think the Brits will be allowing any Germans to command their troops.

 

Nigel Farage blasted Macron for surrendering to Uber Frau Merkel ... German Chancellor Merkel ... again. Says Brexit is no longer an option for the UK, but a question of surviving Merkel's global economic dominance schemes. Macron is weak and stupid, and it's pretty obvious Macron has mommy issues. He's married one version of mommy dearest, and Merkel looks to be a latex mistress representation of "mother".

 

Did Farage actually say Brexit is no longer an option? I knew he blew a gasket over UK PM and Macron.

Poor guy congratulated himself for getting Brexit done, and then stepped down. Now he is fuming realizing it is not done, or at least not how he imagined it (pure heaven).

 

Zerohedge.com has the article ... transcript of Farage's speech.

 

Farage is an opportunistic liar, he isn't part of the current British government, and is not involved in current negotiations between Downing Street and the EU. A potential future EU-army would be excatly that: an EU-army, and with Britain out in the long run, there's no reason to assume whether the British government would allow German headquarters, or any other nation, to rule over British troops or not as Britain won't be part of the EU anyway. A few people, inter alia Macron, have made comments about such a future (!) army and that means country A is going to rule over country B? Yeah, right. Right now, nobody knows what that army would look like.

 

Another reality check here. Muslims are a big part of the younger people in Germany, not a non factor as you allege. Another reality check. There is a big difference between an army and a bunch of old fuc** and 14 year old kids hanging out with guns. It is time to wake up to reality. The median age in Germany is 47. Without the Muslims it would probably be over 50. Old country, full of old people, with a limited GDP, and few natural resources. Dude, they are now training with broomstick because they lack equipment. Get a clue. Germany is not suited for forming a real army.

 

I will repeat it for one last time: other countries with smaller GDPs do it, so OBVIOUSLY Germany can do it too. It is only a matter of political will. I showed you how they could have a MASSIVE army if they did what Finland does. They can have a reserve army of 7 million with half the effort, and a reserve army of 2 million with little effort.

You keep saying they lack equipment, when the whole discussion is about realizing they have a problem, which needs fixing. If they don't have equipment today, they will get it tomorrow.

Its not complicated Mr "No Can Do".

 

That'll take a lot more broomsticks. They can be the cleanest army ever.

 

Sure, or they can just manufacture more HKs, which is their service rifle

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/assault-rifles/g36/g36/overview.html

 

In the post Cold-War world. Our interests and theirs have been diverging for 30 years. The fact of the matter is that we have the power to do just about anything we want, and they have few means of recourse.

The Germans hate that their country is a logistical hub of the US military. They don't keep us there for the money and they don't keep us there because they like our company, but for two reasons. First, German political culture finds national assertiveness distasteful (part of why this is cast as an "EU military") and the Americans have to push them pretty damned far for them to antagonize us. Second, it's because the populace finds the notion of re-armament alarming, while the people in power understand just how weak a position Germany would be in if the Americans weren't stationed there.

 

This:

Does not suggest this:

Germany absolutely is suited to forming a powerful military. They have the technology in spades, up there with us and Japan. This isn't WWII, body count isn't what it once was. Technology and productive capacity, are. The Germans punch well above their weight in these two respects.

Now they definitely have a long way to go. It'll take decades for them to be any more than a potential speed bump for American forces, but they will be.

 

LET THE E.U. REGISTER ALL PERSONS BY AGE 17
for possible induction into the E.U. Military force for at least 1 year.


Then let's see how much the Euros their E.U. Military.

Does Switzerland still have compulsory military service?
Imagine required E.U. Military service as in Israel.
If the Euros want to have their military, let them go all the way.


Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

That is what some countries in Western Europe already do, and Israel of course.