More Than Half A Million People: America’s Homelessness Crisis Is Rapidly Exploding On Both Coasts

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Besides giving huge tax breaks to the very wealthy what do you think should be done to help these people, if anything?
     
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    How is that?
     
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    that is their only answer... tax cuts for the rich...
     
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    My answer is work with those you can work with & help those willing to work within the system. Doing that won't eliminate the homeless, but it'll make a huge, positive difference.
     
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    my bold.

    check out the old adage: "beggars can't be choosers". it's jungle lore, actually. cause and effect. the advent of First World hubris has had no impact on physics.
     
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    The verification is in the 99.9% of homeless people who remain homeless for more than a few months. It takes an effort of will to pretend otherwise.

    Any government which actively diverts funds from education, progress, and enterprise, to the enabling of people who do not care to participate in society, is a government which doesn't deserve to be in power. No money should go to such people (beyond the young and the physically disabled), beyond that which is available to all of us.
     
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    Unfortunately, it would make only a very small difference. When people are determined to avoid playing by the rules, there is little you can do.
     
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    Walking back on what you have posted? Clearly you said the republicans only lost controls in recent months. Homelessness didn’t just popped in the last few months. You don’t get to talk about obstructionism since you have supported the party which have done nothing but obstructed for 8 years.
     
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    Red states have their homeless centered in blue cities.
     
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    I always wonder why with food stamps, WIC, and 2 FREE school meals a day, how is there still this on going gripe about how there are still starving children in the US.
     
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    1) by 'surviving', I mean keeping a roof over your head. anyone can do it, in the First World. all it takes is self-discipline, productivity, clean living, and well maintained social networks. seeing the problem yet?

    2) it is what it is. find a work around. if you MUST stay in an expensive city, then you MUST have a very solid and dependable network of people with whom you can share expenses etc (you know, like a family) until such time as you have earned the right to live independently. If you don't have family, then you MUST have a very solid and dependable network of friends with whom you can share expenses. these are all no brainers. if you're too lazy, asshatish, addicted, whatever to do any of that, you don't deserve to live wherever you think is nice. bottom line.

    3) no, it is NEVER more 'effective' to provide the boon of subsidised housing to people who simply want something but don't want to work for it. in fact, it's a grotesquely awful idea.

    4) I'll grant you my view is jaundiced. but it's jaundiced by many years of working in a field which exposes the mechanics of self-interest. meantime, yes ... someone raised by pigs can become a well adjusted adult. but it will be very hard work, and it will happen later in life than it should. and no, good parents cannot raise a bad child. obviously. the CHILD is the evidence that they were not good. it's a self-evident truth.
     
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    It's lies and thievery. It's also outrageously inappropriate when there are actual children actually starving (to death) in the world. The poorest Third Worlders would not waste the incredible opportunities we have for a good and comfortable life, yet these spoiled brats do.
     
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    The Median price is the home price for the entire country averaged into one price. Of course some areas are higher and some lower. The fact is the same, the government is not responsible for enabling you to live where ever you want.
     
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    I don't disagree, I was just pointing out that geographical considerations have to be taken into account when comparing average nation-wide housing costs with average nation-wide incomes. Since we're not talking about people who live in the same places, that average income can't be used to buy the average housing.

    If we don't understand that, we won't be able to understand how cost of housing can be a large factor in homelessness.
     
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    Those three drops in housing prices were all caused by government interference. When the government forces lenders to lent money to people who do not qualify it will eventually fail. When the government assumes the liability of bad loans and makes it lucrative for loan companies to loan to anyone with a pulse, the S will hit the fan.

    I am always amused at the people who are irate about the failure of government but want more government.
     
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    The major reason for the homeless has little to do with housing costs. Even in areas near these homeless camps you can purchase a modular home or home in a less desirable area for a very reasonable price. I live in an area of Florida where the average home is probably over 2 million. We have no homeless here. So your theory that people who can't afford 2 million have to live on the street doesn't hold water.
     
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    The reason for homelessness more often has to do with lack of space to live and available land.

    In some cases, zoning ordinaces and building codes make it impossible to build a small inexpensive shelter, even when that homeless person could get ahold of the necessary land.
    Many communities don't want dredgy looking structures or poor people living close to them, so these codes are intentionally designed to prevent low cost homes.
     
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    About 10 years ago the number of homeless was almost 20% larger.
     
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    20 years ago the number of homeless was smaller than it is today.
     
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    Dude, why would any thinking person believe that homeless people should be building new homes. These are the dregs of society. A step up for them would be living in a ghetto apartment. Available in any big city for under $100 a week.
     
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    Vote Democrats out of office.

    Gavin Newsom excepted blame for all the poop in San Francisco and the low information voters in California sent him to Sacramento to continuing turning California into one big shithole.
     
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    Open borders and uncontrolled immigration, overpopulation, high taxes, heavy restrictions and regulations for building new homes, forcing manufacturing out of the state of California, resources being spent on non citizens instead of citizens including homeless citizens, free hypodermic needles, a population that has the government monkey on their backs that needs to be fed.
     
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    If they were the majority, you would be right. I doubt they are the majority.
     
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    I lived in the OC back when the "Orange Curtain" was at the 605.

    No homeless in the OC back then.

    Then the first Congressional District that flipped to going Democrat (In the Santa Anna area) and the homeless from L.A. started appearing.

    As Congressional Districts and city councils north of the 405 went blue more crime and more homelessness and the Orange Curtain was moved to the 405.

    I guess we can say now that there is no longer an "Orange Curtain."
     
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    We understand it, but we also understand that it's not relevant. Once again .. beggars can't be choosers.
     
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