The Future EU Army

The only thing that could do that would be a tyranny based on opression and ethnic destruction.

Not even the Roman Empire could create stability and failed to hold Germany.

 

It seems if countries in Europe don't want Europe to be a country, no one can force them.

From Portugal to Eastern Europe, you'd have to all want it for it to happen.
The Dutch, for example,https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...manuel-macron-angela-merkel-eu-military-force
Don't want this army.

 

Why doesn't France and Germany unify and that'll be the end of it.
Belgium too.

 

The EU claim that Nationalism is evil but then want the idea of a national identity for Europe.

 

I'm from the UK, I remember what it was like to be an EU member and not want an EU army.

Countries in the EU don't want it, and I don't think anyone can force it on any country that doesn't want it.

 

It's Germany and France and Belgium being silly again.

 

definitely in this one, America is like a wounded buffalo, you know what a wounded buffalo does.... it circles until it come up behind you

 

Does it end well for you or will that wounded buffolo/America have its way with you?

 

No, we have no confirmation. Trump is the one who claimed it was to defend against America, not Macron.

 

I guess you never heard of Google, there are dozens of confirmations.
http://time.com/5446975/emmanuel-macron-european-army-russia-us/

 

Here's a stupid question.

What country's head of state gets to direct such an armed defense?

And don't say the EU President or one or the other (France/Germany) or taking it in turns (Everybody).

You merge these armies, who's their chief of command?
Who's their head of state? Who's army are they?
Who are the EU?

 

Is the EU threatening to become a new country with this?
Under who's authority?

 

You're asking countries of the EU to surrender their armies to the EU's army.
Are you crazy?
What did you think was going to happen?
That everyone would welcome such an idea?
That is madness if you want these countries to give up their armies because you say so, that's dumb and stupid and WWIII making stuff if you target treat America like the enemy.
I am more surprised of Germany and France for suggesting this than I am of the NL for rejecting it.
Because the NL has a monarchy, and that's their army, and, you probably shouldn't mess with that and call America an enemy, you nuts?
Is this some storm trooper deal? What on Earth are you dreaming only thinking logistics but not reality of who's armies they are.
Who'd command such a force?
That's a stupid question you need to have a winning answer for, and if it's
"by force, because we say so"
; prepare for WWIII.

 

Europe has a nasty habit of world wars, don't make this a third.

 

EU's like that odd ball friend and right now's he's giggling to himself playing with the guns...

I don't like it.

 

Do you have credible sources to support this 'fact'. Is that what the hordes of Muslims entering Germany have been telling you?

Can you see the Spanish, Germans and Swedish forces uniting together to defeat a common enemy like the Chinese or Americans or Russians? Or anyone? Me neither.

 

Nations are an artificial construct.

 

And many of them were 'neutral' in the face of Nazism, Communism and Fascism. In fact they invented these murderous political movements.

Yet, even today, they'll complain that the Americans arrived late to help them in another one of their wars,

 

That's true but many Germans seem too think that the Germany of today will eventually emerge as the Germany it was generations ago. They're being overwhelmed by the Master Religion. http://www.pewforum.org/essay/the-growth-of-germanys-muslim-population/

And never will be, or at least not the kind they expect.
https://www.dw.com/en/study-german-schools-need-more-islamic-religion-classes/a-43599147

 

After WW I Germany had no army. 12 years later build the most powerful, advanced and formidable power the world has seen so far.

As for muslims, we are known to deal with such issues swift and lasting. Between 2015 and 2016 the number of muslims in eastern Germany rose from 0,4% to 2.3% of population. From 2017 to 2018 it felt from 2.3% to 0,2%.

People attacked them, treated them in horrible ways until they ran away.

What amuses me most is that you say we have too much muslims, when in entire Germany its just 6.1%. In Russia its above 25%.

On a sidenote you should pray to god that we dont become islamic.

Last time Germans adopted a foreign religion (christianity) we ransacked the entire continent and spread it with extreme force.

We propably form a germanic caliphate, wipe out the arabs and destroy Mecca because tehy are not islamic enough for our ideology.

We are perfectionists. I have high doubts your hispanic african population could rise ny bigger resistance against us.

 

Correct, he relied on a poor translation of what Macron had actually said.

 

MMC ... what is your intention here?

Is it the usual and ridiculous "evil Huns" and "bad cabbage" Bull **** blabbering and we Germans are supposed to pay well and everything, submit to the will of you and otherwise shut up?
You can forget that, these times are over forever and it's better if you slowly get used to it!

And who is talking about a war against each other, eh? Not me ...!

Yes, the state of the German armed forces is not the best and he can and above all must be better than at present! I've never said anything but that, and I'm also a big critic of my government!
The fact is that more money must be invested, but the fact is that the existing money is wrong and not even fully used!
But everything is just temporary, partially solved and in principle not an extreme problem ... when people finally start to worry about it now!

And yes, of course, US forces are many times larger than German forces, but "so what?" please! Germany has been "shelled" by allies and friends and it does not even have a touch of international intentions like the US has! In other words, we do not want to and will not play the world police and do not have to have military bases all over the planet because we have to get involved everywhere or even go to war on the other side of the planet because our interests are supposed to be endangered!

But what is this about?
It is about Macron striving for a European force / alliance and I agree with that! Why?

It was your idiot in the White House who called NATO obsolete and questioned its survival, not us!
It was your jerk in the White House, the unfounded insulted us because of the unfulfilled 2% evil, although we have to do this only from 2024!
It was the same piece of **** that spreads the lie that it would cost the US taxpayer a lot of money, which is not even rudimentary ... moreover, the gradual, unilaterally unannounced US withdrawal from Europe costs the European Taxpayers money!

In short: The US does not really want to be with NATO anymore, so the Europeans are getting together without the US.
It is enough if this Germany, France and the BE-NE-LUX countries do as a first step ... simply because the US can no longer count as a trustworthy partner, friend and ally, on which one can also rely!

 

You and Time stand corrected.

Macron never stated, suggested or implied that an EU army should be created to defend against the US.

You cannot prove otherwise.

What Macron actually said was that computer hacking and cyber-threats are an up-and-coming threat, and that France needs to protect itself from computer hackers and cyber-threats from China, Russia and the US.

Macron was not referring to the Russian, Chinese or US governments as cyber-threats, rather he was referring to individuals and groups within Russia, China and the US who engage in computer hacking and cyber-threats.

Not only do individuals and groups in the US attempt -- and sometimes succeed -- to hack the computer systems of US government agencies, they also attempt -- and sometimes succeed -- in hacking foreign government computer systems not to mention business, banking and financial systems.

Since it appears you just arrived on Earth yesterday, some time ago an individual or group hacked the credit reporting agency Equifax and gained access to Millions of credit files.

That's what Macron was talking about.

 

Macron is a bit Napoleon like....in stature, think he just fancies himself a bigger army. Either way Europe is going to need one if not for dealing with Russia then dealing with desperate African migrants.

and what do you know... someone else agrees with me