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  1. billy the kid

    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Mundine knocked out in round 1
    Fenech described him as a disgrace to boxing and a wasted talent.
    Sad to see a 43 year old trying to make money out of boxing.
    Still, he will remain as the only boxer in history that could never
    suffer brain damage.
     
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    Boxers are a different species.
     
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    Mundine made a lot of money out of getting the Australian boxing public
    to hate him. He was smart enough to do that, to his credit.
    Unfortunately, his jibberish about racism etc turned everyone against him
    as most of us saw him as a jibberer with no brains.
    If he came across as having a brain, maybe people would have listened to him, rather
    than dumping on him.
     
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    His remark about 9/11 was the clincher. Apologising didn't help.
     
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    Shark attacks: Over the past five years, three people have died on average each year, while just one person died on average during the preceding 16 years, from 1995-2010

    Hornets, wasps and bees have caused 27 deaths over the past 13 years and while that is the same number of deaths caused by snakes, the number of hospitalisations due to bee stings is double that of snake bites.

    Moral of the story: It's safer to swim in the ocean then it is to smell the roses.
     
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    Sure, but they're also okay with rednecks, unfashionable suburbs, culturally intact indigenous, religious expression (other than hipster approved non-religions like Buddhism), the unwashed working class white male, theme parks, bad coffee, and big dogs. Just a few things Melbournism doesn't tolerate very well. Which explains my point about QLD being far more tolerant and diverse.

    As someone who is a cynical old hipster, AND travels to both locations on a regular basis, I can tell you the difference is tangible. Melbourne feels like Judgy-town, ruled over by an order of humorless clerics. QLD feels ... free. No one gives a damn.
     
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    I've only been to QLD once- can't stand the climate. It seems to be populated by superannuated Victorians.
    Tolerance of rednecks is a virtue?
     
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    With you there. The QLD climate is hellish. And there are indeed a good mess of retirees up yon. I'll be going the other way if I live long enough, FTR. Taz all the way. And the highest and coldest bit therein where I can still get a decent coffee (and a small dog).

    Meantime, it's not that tolerance is a virtue, it's that the idea that rednecks are necessarily bad is a bigotry. One I really don't care for, and one I see far too much of in Victoria. Rednecks are as likely to be good or bad as a virtue-signalling hipster. You and I may not have much in common with the average redneck, but to automatically exclude them from people-we-take-seriously is pretty damned stupid and unpleasant. Kinda makes us (if that's what we do) worse than rednecks, since they're often pretty easy going and accepting.
     
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    The rednecks in the country town where I grew up? Some of the cruellest , most intolerant and ignorant people you could ever come across.
    Then again, as you say, some of the kindest and most broad minded people. You haven't come across bigotry in QLD? Rampant.
    I agree with you about Tassie. Cold weather is easier to deal with than constant sweating, dehydration and heat of QLD. The humidity!!
    Why do you need to go to Tassie for a small dog?
    A nice place is Flinders Island. Small clean laid back and seething with crayfish- and other fish. Well worth a visit.
     
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    I didn't say rednecks are kind and broad minded, though. I said they're generally pretty accepting. And FTR, I don't regard 'ignorance' as a sin, but rather a feature of a particular upbringing. It's not 'bad', it just is. Highly educated hipsters can also be ignorant (about whatever it is that they don't understand and fear .. and there is plenty).

    To explain .. my mixed race family has experienced considerable acceptance and tolerance in QLD. Specifically, we find working class QLDers some of the most tolerant people in the nation. They are mostly colourblind (a result of historically high numbers of indigenous and islander peoples), don't give a damn who you vote for, whether you listen to Triple J or 2GB, whether you eat steak or tofu, who your god is, or what you think about the environment. They're just not interested in your peripherals, they're interested in the immediate human interaction. FTR, we spend quite a bit of time in a redneck town a couple of hours from home (we have property there), and see the same thing. Very accepting and welcoming, and zero interest in our colour, creed, or philosophy/politics. It's liberating, and a great reminder of what's important.

    Not sure I'd do well on Flinders Island. I'm not a fan of the sea other than as something exotic to visit once in a while, so wouldn't care to be closely surrounded! And the small dog was a play on the mention of Big Dogs in an earlier post.

    Edited to add: I don't see rampant bigotry in QLD (or rural NSW), no. At least, no more (and sometimes less) than I see in Melbourne. People are people .. and all of us are equally prone to judging others on absurdities - regardless of where we live or how much education we have. The flavour of the judgement simply differs according to region/education.
     
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    Interesting perspective from someone who would be expected to cop
    xenophobic behaviour.
     
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    Lovely to view an episode of Blind Date tonite set aside specifically for women to meet women. Is it too much to presume that this episode was screened as the normal these days. At a time when a lot of children could still be viewing, we and they are brainwashed into believing that lesbianism is the normal.
    Is it really...I dont think so, and this type of programme should not be passed as "normal"
     
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    It's the possibility of being chewed up that has more impact than dying of anaphylaxis or snake bite.
    We have recently acquired our first beehives and there have been two visits to hospital as a result of bee stings.
     
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    We see less 'xenophobia' from a roughneck northern qld rural town (where brown and white people live in close proximity to each other as a matter of course) than we do from white Melbourne hipsters .. who are embarrassingly transparent in their lack of exposure to brownness. Of course, they express this wilful separation via 'look at me, I'm down with the intersectionals!', but xenophobia it most certainly is.
     
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    You seem to have a thing about white Melbourne hipsters.
    Why do you think that there are no brown or yellow people down here?
    Taxi drivers, doctors, shopkeepers, students, nurses, labourers, teachers- they all come in different colours down here.
     
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    I should have qualified .. what I mean is White Progressives (and Melbourne simply has the mother lode). But I'm not sure how/why you think the presence of brown taxi drivers and other people-you-wouldn't-marry-or-hang-out-with indicates a White Prog love of diversity. Even less sure how you concluded that I was saying Melb has no brown people.

    By 'lack of exposure' I don't mean you don't see brown people in the street/shop/doctor's office. I mean you don't LIVE with them as contemporaries and social/intimate equals. That's the vital difference between you (as in, Melb) and Qld'ers. And it's a difference which is palpable, to the traveler/observer. Queenslanders have a long history of high concentrations of indigenous peoples (and migrants of colour), and so have a lost the separation. They are actually colourblind, and easily meet the test for that via a far higher rate of mixed marriages. There are towns in some parts of the state where almost everyone under the age of 40 is a mutt. Coffee coloured mixes of white, brown, and Asian. A bit like Darwin and Broome. Melbourne can't hold a candle to that level of colourblindness and integration.
     
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    Good thing you aren't breeding sharks. Who had to go, you?
     
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    Yep. Got stung on the forehead and my eyelids were like two fat sausages. The staff looked anxious when I said I had "letterbox" vision.
    The other one was my cousin who collapsed after 7 stings on the foot! He was fine after a few hours.
     
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    You are making assumptions here.
     
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    Did you see my links?
     
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    No, I'm making observations. I travel to both places frequently, and have done so for the past 30 years. Melbourne is the least tolerant city in Australia, easily. And it goes back a long way. I have sharp memories of being refused entry to clubs in Melb in the 80's because we were too 'bogan' (being actual hipsters, this came as a rude shock). It's only gotten worse since then. I have friends and family there, and they're beyond belief in their intolerances and bigotries. It's at hysterical level.
     
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    What of climatic factors?
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    Are those Blue Areas most South, likened to California
    more mellow too? No idea what Southern Brazil is about.
    Buenos Aires, Summers are hot and humid with frequent thunderstorms while winters are cool and drier with frosts that occurs on average twice per year. Spring and fall are transition seasons characterized by changeable weather.
    Sound familiar to any O.Z.'s?


    Moi :oldman:


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    Looks pretty right to me Moi, except the bit of South Australia that's supposed to be like Northern California might be a bit off. We have cool winters and bloody hot summers, too bloody hot and too bloody dry and too bloody long and I bloody well hate them. I want to bloody well move to Tassie but it's gettting too bloody expensive.

    On the other topic in this thread, some of the nicest people I've known were bogans.
     
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