We have for centuries and killing BORN people is still against the law.....BTW since the beginning of humans children and adults have been murdered....didn't you know that obvious historical FACT?!!! OMGAWD! YOU DIDN'T KNOW that people have always killed each other!!!!!!!! WOW!!! HILARIOUS! YOU ARE BLAMING ABORTION FOR MURDER being invented !!!!! """""Are we so desperate that we are already having to resort to killing our own inside the womb?""""" Who TF is this "we" you're going on about? When will YOU ever be , alone, poor, desperate and pregnant ?? How sickly arrogant to use the word "we".... And YES some people in the US have it as bad as those in Mexico ….being better than Mexico is your standard FOR OTHERS ???
Is it? Is the woman who 'can't afford' contraception spending more than $1 a month on fast food? Clothes? Entertainment? iPhone? Anyone woman who is happy to let her personal, bodily responsibility slide, in order to spend on meaningless things like the above, is not someone we ought to be defending.
"so what?" In a world of finite resources, you're asking why we can't just cut the 'choosers' the same slack we cut those who have no choices? Unbelievable.
How do you know what they spend their money on? Are you aware of the minimum wage in America because it would be considered pocket money here You obviously did NOT read the posts on the first page showing the income levels or the costs of the more reliable methods. Now I am sure even the old “aspirin held firmly between the knees” costs MORE than $1 a month
What does any of that have to do with it? If you have $100 a month to spend, and you intend to have a sex life, then OBVIOUSLY a portion of that $100 must go to reliable contraception. If you spend the entirety of that $100 on 'luxuries' (as per my first post), then have sex anyway .. you are a fool and a seriously crappy human being. You do not deserve any kind of empathy, sympathy, help, or otherwise. Stop defending people who make bad choices. Focus your empathies on people who don't HAVE choices in the first place.
I'm 'blaming' women on the basis that they make terrible choices (ie, the only way a woman can end up with an unwanted pregnancy if she wasn't raped). You're defending women who make terrible choices. Why aren't you defending women who abstain because it's the responsible thing to do if you can't afford contraception?
""""""""""""""""kazenatsu said: ↑ And irresponsible?"""""""""""""""""""" FoxHastings: So what if they are? I think you're lucky that irresponsibility is not against the law...It's people are protected from control freak nutjobs forcing their ideas of what is or isn't "responsible" onto others and delighting in punishing them when they don't conform..... I don't remember asking ""why we can't just cut the 'choosers' the same slack we cut those who have no choices?"" I don't even know what it means...
Because that old crap about women should just not have sex is just that , crap. IF you knew anything about the history of the world you'd realize that humans just do not give up sex especially not to please you.... Women do not have to give up sex, if they have an unwanted pregnancy they can get an abortion......and they have for eons and will continue to do so...
UH, duh, this forum is about abortion...you know CHOICE....it's not about the rest of humankind's problems....start a thread somewhere else if you want to discuss that... And, if the only reason you're here is to dump hate on women then obviously you have NOTHING.
So only those as perfect as you should be defended? That's not the way it works in this country. EVERYONE has rights, not just those you approve of If a person needed an operation do they form a jury to see if they are "good" enough to have it? Do only those people you approve of deserve rights and care ?
Do you understand that all things have limits? Good, let's move on. When finite resources are involved (we don't live in Disneyland), PRIORITIES must come into play. If you don't prioritise, you will end up causing those most in need to suffer, by providing resources to those who have nowhere near the need - or indeed any actual 'need' at all. That is immoral, no matter how you look at it. Go to any emergency department in a large hospital and your condition will be prioritised. Because there are FINITE doctors, and FINITE beds. It's the only moral and humane approach to 'need' and 'care'. The same applies to all things, or SHOULD apply to all things. There is a very ugly hubris associated with behaving as though resources are infinite, and the fallout from same is terrible.
Does that have something. anything, to do with abortion...??? Or your inability to address my posts? So only those as perfect as you should be defended? That's not the way it works in this country. EVERYONE has rights, not just those you approve of If a person needed an operation do they form a jury to see if they are "good" enough to have it? Do only those people you approve of deserve rights and care ?
And you are assuming that they are making bad choices instead of the fact that they do not HAVE choices in the first place What part of “income level below the poverty line” are you not understanding?
Since they DO have the choice (to abstain, if they can't afford contraceptives), yes. And further, if they can afford a single fast food meal, or pack of cigarettes, or bottle of booze, or expensive phone plan .... they can afford contraceptives. There is no way of making it seem okay, because it just isn't. Below the poverty line in AMERICA, is not 'no choice'. No choice is living in a cardboard box on the streets of Bangladesh.
I know this post is addressed to crank but I will address it anyway: Yes there are indeed truly women who "cannot afford it", however, quite a lot of women choose abortion because they want to continue to live the lifestyle that they are accustomed to. They do not want to be inconvenienced by a child. A child that they are responsible for creating. This is selfish as well as unethical to me.
Then don't ever get an abortion....see how easy that was? YES, women have abortions because an unwanted pregnancy is INCONVENIENT....so what? Do you do everything as INconveniently as possible? "Selfish" isn't against the law....many people selfishly do what they choose to do even YOU.
The statement said "EVERYONE" so I was just confirming you meant "EVERYONE". I was not sure that "EVERYONE" had things to do with abortion and poverty but then I was not the one who said "EVERYONE". Anyway thanks for confirming you meant everyone including illegal immigrants.
As a matter of fact, I too try to do it the easy way, with the only exception being when doing so would threaten someone's life. Did I say I want to make it illegal to be selfish?
