Trump To Review Case Against Major Matt Goldsteyn – Charged w/ Murder for Killing Taliban Bomb-Maker

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  1. US Conservative

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    Or perhaps Beta males are incapable of understanding war?
     
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    It wasn’t justified when it had no material effect on the war. No one was planning on trying to attack Dresden. The Soviets were going to bypass it. And it’s fsctories could not meaningfully affect the Germany war machine by that point because the transportation network was destroyed.
     
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    They developed some interesting tactics for fighting those commie terrorists.
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    Reminds me of one of our rare successful ambushes. It was raining hard and they had a long piece of visquene held over they heads trying to stay dry on their march in the middle of the night, and couldn't hear a thing. They must have figured we wouldn't be out in it. We could barely see. 52 died, none of us. It was easy and it was fun.
     
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    You get that “Germany” is a big place right? Parts of it can be on the front lines while others aren’t?

    It has nothing to do with feels. There was no military necessity in attacking Dresden.
     
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    I suppose it all depended where you lived.

    Hitler always had his eyes on the east of Germany not western Europe or the Americas.

    It was France and England who declared war on Germany not Germany.

    We English speaking people...English is based upon the German language.

    Ever read a book published in Old English ? It sure helps knowing some German.
     
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    I hate murderers who throw away military discipline and kill unarmed suspected criminals.

    So you’re idea of an ROE is just to let soldiers kill any unarmed person they wish?

    I bet you would have given Steven D Green a medal.
     
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    It had a material effect-the military and industrial capacity was reduced.

    Your logic is as flawed as those who say Japan would have surrendered without the nukes being dropped-except they didn't after the first bomb dropped.

    Besides, Germany had many surprises up its sleeve in 45. To simply imply that the allies should have known what nobody could have known is silliness.
     
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    What he did constitutes vigilante justice.

    Any good vigilante knows that they risk sacrificing themself for what they do. Thats part of what makes some vigilantes heros and others villains- understanding that while the rule of law has cracks, working to make them wider is unjust.

    Give the guy a jury trial. If they vote to kill him, so be it (I'll hope they don't).
     
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    I have an advantage, I was born exactly five years after Japan agreed to surrender.

    So all I have to do is just add five years to my age and I know how many years it was when that war came to an end.
     
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    If Hitler had won he would have accrued one hell of a lot more power. No telling where he would have stopped. imo after he killed all the Jews in the world he would have gone after blacks.

    His intention was for his ideas to rule for a thousand years.
     
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    Japan wasn't refusing to surrender. They were refusing to hand over their god-emporer. If we hadn't made that a condition of surrender, the first nuke likely would've been unnecessary, and certainly the second would've been.

    Considering we let them keep him anyway, there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than simply ending the war.
     
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    The military and industrial capacity of Dresden was meaningless. The transportation network was destroyed. The war material could not be moved to the front lines and no one was going to attack Dresden directly. The Soviets bypassed it.
     
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    Germany in 45 WAS the battlefield. On all sides. In all places.

    It was the heart of the axis and the most zealous redoubt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Allied_invasion_of_Germany
     
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    You always want to beat them severly enough that they don't come back for more anytime soon.
     
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    Sounds like you side with terrorists against American soldiers. Only kill a terrorist when he is armed and shooting at you? That kind of ROE gets people killed and loses battles and wars.

    Do you have any military experience? It's OK if you don't, not everyone has served.
     
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    That Green Beret killed a terrorist. In war time. In a war zone.

    Thats not "any unarmed person".
     
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    It was not a battlefield in “all places” and your own link confirms this. There were numerous places in Germany untouched by allies ground troops until after the surrender.
     
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    The best terrorist kill is while they sleep. Pure as pure can be.
     
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    Soldiers who murder people don’t deserve to be aided with and yes, I served for 8 years in the Army including a tour in Iraq.

    I never killed any unarmed person.
     
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    Or we wanted to make sure the world knew what our new weapon meant...
     
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    So what weapon did he have in his hands?
     
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    We didn't have enough bombers or ordnance to get all of it.
     
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    Yea and you don't just fight wars on the front lines. You fight them everywhere and anywhere you can. Germany declared war on the United States of America and therefore was one big target. Maybe you don't like the tactics we employed but they won us the war and bombing campaigns were a part of it. People dying in war is a tragedy but that is just the way it goes.

    Maybe you should be blaming Germans instead, as they allowed the rise of Hitler and his party. They allowed him to invade and subjugate numerous countries and people. Hitler and his goons sent millions to the gas chambers and murdered countless people. It seems to me your "anger" is displaced and pointed at the wrong country.
     
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    Nor did the allied strategy call for bombing all of it, but I can see how a sociopathic murderer who gleefully talks about his crimes wouldn’t get that.
     
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