Trump To Review Case Against Major Matt Goldsteyn – Charged w/ Murder for Killing Taliban Bomb-Maker

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  1. BuckyBadger

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    He wasn't a prisoner. Basically:

    1. He was turned over by a village elder and detained. Known terrorist and bomb maker.
    2. Bomber was released against wishes of American forces because they knew he killed Americans
    3. American hunted the terrorist down and killed him.

    He was no longer a prisoner when he was terminated.
     
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    From one article II've read, they detained him, the elder IDed him, the major knew or suspected that he woukd be released, then he and another soldier took him out back and shot him. If that account is accurate then I still don't see how that is justified.
     
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    The report I read (I might have linked it earlier, too lazy to go check) stated basically what I stated above. My impression is that he was released and a free man when the American went after him and killed him.

    I don't like needless killing or killing of a prisoner that is detained. However, if a terrorist is let go and then killed, I have no mercy for him. No mercy for those that make bombs and kill others. Mercy can be saved for God and for his soul.
     
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    All captured spies and clandestine operators may be executed. It is not clear that the bomb maker was executed.
     
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    I say again, yes.

    He fought the law.

    Should the law win?

    Im thinking of the innocents, in 5, 10, or 20 years who die because of islamic terror.
     
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    Nothing is clear here.

    In war, its often to make things so.
     
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    The bomb maker wasnt a civilian.

    Thus, the major was doing his job, which is... killing the enemy.
     
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    Compare the map of ISIS territory in 2013 with their territory in 2016. Obama had already cut their power by 90% by the time Trump was elected.
     
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    He had already admitted to killing him years ago when applying for a job with the CIA. They dismissed it due to lack of evidence.
     
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    ISIS was allowed to expand into a defacto state under Obama.

    He dismissed them as the JV team while they murdered their way across Iraq and Syria, and expanded into several other countries.

    Only after he could no longer ignore them-did he deploy forces back into Iraq and then into Syria.

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    Thank you for confirming that ISIS lost the majority of its territory under Obama.
     
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    The law prohibits shooting detainees in almost every case.
     
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    It also gained the majority of its territory under Obama.

    Obama is the worst kind of "leader". He squandered the gains our Military paid for in blood, for his politics.

    Only to have to send them BACK in to clean up his mistake.

    Truly the worst POTUS in recent years-a case study in losing.


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    ISIS has grown enormously over the last four years. The standard line on the Left is that Donald Trump’s pre-inauguration words and now his actions are recruiting fodder for ISIS. That refrain of the Democrats is dubious – but if it holds any salt at all, then the Democrats are currently helping ISIS recruit.

    President George W. Bush, at the end of his Presidency, warned America of the risk of withdrawing precipitously from Iraq. Nevertheless, the United States military forces, under the direction of then President Obama, quickly started a withdrawal from Iraq that was completed in 2011. Not coincidentally, by April of 2013, the Islamic State of Iraq had united with al-Nusra Front to form Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    At that time, ISIS was confined to the immediate area of Iraq and Syria. President Obama famously referred to ISIS nine months later in January of 2014 as the “JV team.” Just over a year later, however, according to ABC News, on “the second anniversary of the declaration of its Islamic ‘caliphate,’ or kingdom . . . the group has gone from obscurity . . . to the world’s most brutal terrorist network, not only responsible for thousands of deaths in the Middle East but also linked to hundreds more in dozens of terrorist plots in the West.”

    During that growth period, Donald Trump was not responsible for American policy in any way and his views on the subject hardly known. Indeed, from its founding in 2013, the time of President’s remark that ISIS was the JV team, and for the rest of 2014, Trump was not a factor at all geopolitically.

    Once the campaign for the Presidency got underway in earnest, the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, often said that Donald Trump’s rhetoric on terrorism was a recruiting tool for ISIS. When pressed on actual evidence of that recruitment strategy by ISIS, the Democrats were not able to produce it – but that didn’t stop them from making the accusations.

    By the end of Obama’s second term, December of 2016, according to CNN, “the self-proclaimed Islamic State has conducted or inspired more than 140 terrorist attacks in 29 countries other than Iraq and Syria, where its carnage has taken a much deadlier toll. Those attacks have killed at least 2,043 people and injured thousands more.”
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...-democrats-helping-isis-recruit/#66b52ab926ff
     
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    there is a reason our judicial are independent
     
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    How did Obama squandor anything? He withdrew from Iraq as required per the SOFA agreement signed with the Iraqi government. Who signed that agreement?
     
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    He was not a detainee at that point.

    It reminds me of the gitmo terrorists that just sit there, now long incapable of supplying meaningful intelligence.

    Implant a tracker in them, set them "free", and drop a 500 lb guided bomb on them.

    Problem solved.

    Problem staying solved.
     
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    You understand that releasing a prisoner just so you can kill this is still murder, yes?
     
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    Who released the the bomb maker?
     
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    More spin. Obama does not get to take credit for the achievements of others when it suits him (Trump economy) and blame others when it does not (SOFA).

    The territory in Iraq that out military had paid for in blood, was ceeded to ISIS despite both IRAQ and Bush warning him from withdrawing-and exactly what they said would happen DID happen.

    Obama was at the wheel and Obama handed islamic terrorists a defacto state, complete with its own currency, legal system, and government.

    Obama built that.
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...up-s-tentacles-reach-Algeria-Afghanistan.html
     
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    You understand that a terrorist can be legally killed at any time, yes?
     
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    Did you not bother to read the post I was quoting?
     
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    If Bush opposed withdrawal from Iraq, why did he sign a SOFA that mandated it?
     
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    No they can’t. The US government cannot extrajudicially murder anyone in its custody without trial. That limitation is placed on it by the Constitution.
     
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    Gained and lost under Obama. Gained all, then lost a large part. Trump loosened the ROE which sped up their demise, cutting their holdings by sixty percent in his first year as President. Along with causing the expansion of ISIS, Obama also caused the expansion of the Muslim Brotherhood, utterly destabilized Libya and Syria which led to the Refugee crisis. Back home we got ANTIFA and BLM, racial division and riots galore. Not to mention the perversion of the meaning of marriage. But who cares about the very foundation of society when one can thrust ones nose into the air, make calculated pauses in ones speech and pocket the resultant cheers of decadence.
     
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    This is what should be done...
     
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