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You can prove it hasn't always existed?

 

Science doesn't rely on "blind faith"" for answers.
Stick with the supernatural if that’s what you’re comfortable with and leave science to those that understand it.

 

You still didn't answer the question of why create night and day before having the sun. Also, the bible is very clear on what a day is. Its between an evening and a morning. In addition its unclear who it takes God "days" to make the universe when an all-powerful God could make it instantly. Its also unclear how God made birds before land animals, when its very obvious from the fossil record that birds evolved from dinosaurs and appear much later after the first land animal.

 

some would say arrogance is a form of wisdom, others say its a result of wisdom

 

Since science doesn't conclude "because I think so" tell us your powerful minds exanation how this is possible.

 

If you think you've got God with a gotcha question you don't need help from me.

Neither you or I have all the answers, which is why we all have faith.

My faith is in God. Yours is in whoever or whatever you choose.

 

I don't need to since science doesn't recognize "it always existed" as a rational explanation.

But feel free to continue your blind faith beliefs.

 

I guess when you are laying your arse, your life on the line, as these men did, there is a place for religion, God, and so on?

The luxury of atheism, is that while you are in a safe place, comfortable, prosperous, and one's life is not at risk, you can dismiss all religion as ignorance and stupidity.

Someone once said, you will not find hard core atheists in a foxhole in war. And while I cannot say this is absolute truth, I can say that while fighting a war in the late 60s, personally involved, young men who were generally not religious at all, seemed to find time for it, when their own young lives were at great risk. At least for a little while, until they could come back to the "world" which was the good old USA, baseball, hot dogs and apple pie. You hear of the same thing in today's prisons, where your life is at great risk. So many inmates find religion while in prison, but lose it as soon as they get out.

IMO, if these ideas being embraced by some physicists today, that reality, this universe is a virtual reality, analogous to a video game, the creation of a computer, can ever be evidenced, that will be a game changer, with less animosity between those of science and those of religion. With the creating computer of this universe, being just another word for God.

I look forward to the results of the series of experiments of the physicist Tom Campbell who was able to crowd fund those very expensive experiments based upon the double slit experiment, but with additions, which could possible give supporting evidence for the hypothesis that we live in a virtual reality, created by an analogous computer of some kind, not made by man, and outside of the universe that it has created and sustained.

 

Some people are idiots. I don't advise listening to them as they pat themselves on the back.

 

Of course it does. You need to learn about how time did not exist on a dimension as it does now and you wi realize that the universe has always existed

 

First....do you understand that nothing in science is ever proven?

 

Hahahahaha.

What Comic Book did you get that out of?

 

Actually much is proven, often clinically.

The hypothetical "it always existed" line can't be taken seriously since there is no science to support it as a possibility..

 

Now I see where you go wrong. You dont understand science. Proof is for math not science. Proof is impossible in science

 

NO. Just plain NO. Not knowing the answer does NOT mean there is a supernatural connection.

Not knowning the answer means we don't know the answer!

We do NOT have answers for all questions about nature. That is HUMAN, not supernatural.

We didn't understand e=m. That didn't make the gap in our knowledge supernatural.

We didn't understand how gravity controls the movement of planets. That didn't make it supernatural.

We didn't understand atoms. That didn't mean it was supernatural.

We didn't understannd the purpose of the heart. That didn't make it supernatural.

Supernatural means that there is no natural explanation. But, how could mankind possibly know that there is no natural explanation??? We're just not that smart. Look at the above examples. At one timee wee didn't know the answers, and now we know.

How could we POSSIBLY know that there is no natural answer to some question we might have?

How could the ancients have understood that there was a natural answer to the cases above?

We humans do NOT have a test that can be applied to determine whether an event is supernatural vs. just not knowing the answer.

 

Then there is no proof that

To my knowledge, scientists have never speculated that the Universe could create itself with natural physical laws.

Maybe they forgot.

 

There is no proof of anything in science

 

One of the problems is that there is no reason to believe that our physics applies to the event of the creation of this universe.

In fact, even the fundamental forces we recognize (like gravity) were smooshed together in ways that are totally unlike what we see today. We can "see" far enough back to be confident of that result. These forces separated to become what we see today as our universe expanded.

That doesn't mean there are no laws of physics that would allow for the incredible burst of energy that was at the beginning of this universe. Again, being unable to have answers doesn't mean that there are no answers. We just don't have easy access to the environment of that event.

 

If course there is an answer. I don't know specifically how God created the Universe. Maybe he smooshed stuff up. Maybe he snapped his fingers. None of that matters.

 

Or maybe it was always there

 

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion,however satisfying and reassuring.
~Carl Sagan ~

 

No scientists say the universe created itself.

 

Correct.

Saying the Universe always existed or created itself completely ignores science.

It's childish.

 

No, science says matter can not be created, or destroyed. Which means, the universe has always existed.

 

That's a really silly stretch.

It's almost like you're trying too hard to avoid an obvious conclusion.