Trump surrenders Syria to ISIS

I guess not supporting endless circular wars and illegal occupations is being a Russian sympathizer. If so I'm proud to be one.

There is no reason to add anything.

 

This is Trump's idea of New Years message.

"HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE HATERS AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA! 2019 WILL BE A FANTASTIC YEAR FOR THOSE NOT SUFFERING FROM TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE, GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING FOR OUR COUNTRY!"

I suppose he thinks he is being funny. There is something wrong with this man.

 

I think I defined it pretty well. Thank you for stamping your approval. Whenever sandy uses the term again, everyone knows it what it means from this post right here.

 

Yes there is something funny about this. A reality TV show game host dismantled the most career establishment politician in the Democratic party and obliterated a field of hacks within the Republican party with ease and is now President of the United States. Have you ever seen what this guy looks like? He looks like a clown with that weird orange skin, fake hair, and white beedy eyes. Of course this is funny. When has any other president taken to twitter trolling about haters and Rosie O'Donnel? THIS IS *******N HILARIOUS. None of this makes any sense. The whole thing is ridiculous! Of course its funny. What else am I going to do? Make countless threads on a message board screaming about the sky is falling because theres a incoherent adderoll snorting celebrity with the power to destroy the world a hundred times over with a vast nuclear arsenal?

Get off of your high horse. Donald Trump being president is not the worst thing to ever happen. When he leaves office in 6 years we're all still going to be here. Calm down.

 

Spoke with some Israeli's visiting the states the other day and they were very disturbed with this withdrawal as they described how 2k U.S. troops were mainly fortifying an important position that Iran can now take over which would give them greater access to harrasing Israeli's.

 

What a Joke ... you have zero credibility and integrity. You were given a respected source .. this is the actual DIA document obtained from the DIA. https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

The idea that this document is a forgery is laughable idiocy. A vast number of media outlets have cited this same declassified document such as: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

While it is true that Senators lie all the time - the idea that 10 bipartisan senators would lie about the Pentagon arming Al Qaeda is preposterous idiocy. The idea that if this was a lie - that the MSM would not be trashing these Senators to high heavens - is preposterous idiocy.

The fallacious idiocy - because a resolution does not have strong support it must be a lie - is fallacious idiocy.

What source would satisfy you ? do you think the Pentagon/CIA is going to admit that they supported Al Qaeda ? How about VP Biden would that satisfy you ?

You are in raging denial of the obvious.

 

Some raging ad hom attack - demonizing the messenger rather than addressing the message - is not an argument for anything other than your inability to make an argument

I hate Trump .. and don't like Putin either ... but, even if this were not the case - what does this have to do with the fact that Obama/Hillary were arming and supporting Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and the other rebel opposition that went on to form ISIS in Syria. ?

 

He will not be in office for six years. More like two years if the mid-terms were any indication. Because he is so incompetent and dangerous, matters will only get worse for Trump. Then there is the Mueller report. Many put up with this idiot because they think he has something to do with our great economy. But the economy is showing signs of slowing -- worst December in a decade, stocks negative for the year, worst week in December since the Great Depression. If the economy goes sour, Trump is doomed.

My concern is, what will he do when that happens. He is a revenge seeking bastard, and he has proven his loyalty to Putin. That is a very dangerous combination.

He went too far in Syria -- granting hegemony to Russia -- and he had to back down. However, Syria is a powerful indicator of what he might do when his world is collapsing around him.

 

Since Trump has taken office we have reclaimed over 90 percent of the terroritory Obama seeded to ISIS

 

Your article is dated 2015. Let me put this a different way. I don't give a shyt.

This thread concerns Trump, Syria, and the events in late 2018, early 2019. It is my contention that you support Trump.

Why else would you want to change the subject to "Obama/Hillary" and events four years ago?

Please review the issues in the OP and related posts. Do you have anything to contribute the topic of this thread.

 

Trump didn't do a thing other than allow the Pentagon to do its job. The Iraqi army, Kurds, and Syrian rebels did all the fighting to regain the territory taken by ISIS, not U.S. forces.

Obama ceded nothing to ISIS and is not responsible for its growth. Al Qaeda became Al Qaeda in Iraq, and AQI became ISIS. Bush is more responsible ISIS than Obama.

 

1) I can't stand Trump and constantly slam him and the GOP .. so save your ad hom fallacy for someone to which it might apply.
2) The idea that a conversation about ISIS in Syria - and various claims being made surrounding the withdrawl - should not include the fact that we were previously arming and supporting the groups that went onto form ISIS - and were supporting ISIS after the caliphate was declared - is preposterous idiotic nonsense on steroids.

What will happen to ISIS if we leave "Is the topic of this thread". It is not my fault that you were completely ignorant of the fact that

1) Trump's claim that "we defeated ISIS" is a complete lie ... it was Russia and the Syrian Army that defeated ISIS. We were the one's supporting ISIS - on the same side of the war as ISIS throughout most of the war.

2) Why this is critical is that if we leave .. Russia and the Syrian Army will complete the job.

My main concern is the Kurd's who were stuck in the middle of this mess. The concern for the Kurds is not from Russia/Syria - the concern is due to Turkey.

What we will do is what we often do and leave the people that help us in the nations we attack out to dry.

 

Trump will get a second term, not because he is a great president but because the Democratic party will continue to fail its base and the swing voters it has been neglecting for the last few decades. Bernie Sanders has proven that a real progressive has the opportunity to get elected to the highest office in the country. But the establishment Democrats will never allow this. Tom Perez gave himself the power as DNC chair to kick any candidate out of the primaries if he deems them unsuitable as a Democrat. The party will never allow a progressive like Bernie Sanders win the nomination and when it comes time to vote in november is going be between Trump and a POS like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker. And people will see through their BS like they did with Hilary Clinton. I don't like Trump anymore than you do, but let's be honest with ourselves here. The Democrats are never going to change.

They are never going to answer for the biggest election fraud in American history and people like you are red baiting anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Russia conspiracy theory. You are doing exactly what the Democratic party wants you to do. They want to distracted about Trump and Russia and never analyze what they did in 2016. The real election fraud is what the Democratic party did to their voters and what they did to Bernie Sanders. Theres actual physical evidence to prove this as well as various reputable individuals within the Democratic party who have confirmed this fraud. But no, people like you are clinging to hope that Bob Mueller is going to drop some kind of explosive bombshell thats going to somehow end Donald Trump overnight.

If the Russia conspiracy theory is real, why is Trump still president? If Mueller has evidence, or the DoD and other government agencies know enough to actual think it might be true, why wait 2+ years to reveal the truth? If you think pulling out of Syria is evidence of appeasement to Putin then given how much information leaks out of the Trump administration, wouldn't there be evidence by now?

 

Hahaha Bush is responsible for what Obama did years after he left office?!? Hahahaha I agree trump didn’t do much but the opposite of obama and allowed the DoD to do its job.

 

Yeah, I know. The whole Middle East is a constant mess, and we're up to our necks in it. Even in victory--rare as it is--there's little change, and no long term prospects for improvement.

You don't have to "care about Trump" to be affected by what Trump does. Trump's stupidity has a ripple effect, and we're all in the path of that wave.

 

At least the Washington Post listens to me.

It is the Kurds in Syria who suffered the most recent treachery, when President Trump on Dec. 19 announced the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, where the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, were among America’s most faithful and effective partners in the fight against Islamic State terrorists.

Trump initially said the 2,000 U.S. troops would be gone within 30 days but reportedly has agreed to Pentagon requests for a gradual withdrawal over four months. The betrayal thus will occur in slow motion.


Yet, like their brethren in Iraq, the Peshmerga fighters, the Kurds in Syria could be a case study in the effective implementation of America’s long-standing exhortation that its friends in the region should do more of the actual fighting while the United States trains and assists them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...58c33d6c8c7_story.html?utm_term=.7c56a4fb215f

I disagree with the Post in one sense. I have studied America's wars since the 1960's and Vietnam. I volunteered for the Marine Corps during Vietnam.

Trump, officially known as the Commander-in-Chief, unofficially known as a military dunce who hasn't served a day in the military, ordered a premature withdrawal from Syria. The Pentagon had to comply to the absurd orders, but they, along with everyone else, put pressure on Trump to change his mind, knowing Trump has a habit of doing just that.

Trump bowed to the pressure and said, “we’re slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting ISIS remnants,” contradicting his earlier statement about bring the troops "back now."

That was all the Pentagon needed. It said that it will take four months to complete the withdrawal. The generals know, as do the astute, that four months can easily become six months, a year, and so on. The generals are back in control and the military dunce is out of the loop.

 

I am not going to bother explaining what I said. It's over your head.

 

I will agree with you that the Democrats made a horrible mistake in 2016. They nominated the worst possible candidate. I have always maintained that the Democrats are responsible for Trump when they nominated Clinton. Hard to believe they could be so stupid.

As for Russia, I am not only convinced that Russia did interfere in our election on Trump's behalf, but that the Trump campaign collaborated with the Russians and Trump is responsible for that. I am tired of hearing what little he knows about things happening all around him and for him. Is he really that lousy as a manager? On various threads I have amassed significant evidence of Trump's guilt, and that is only what the public knows.

That is only the tip of the iceberg as compared to what Mueller has. "If the Russia conspiracy theory is real, why is Trump still president?" I am surprised you asked that question. Mueller has not released his report yet. No one has any idea what he has.

Accusing the President of collaboration with a hostile foreign power, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice is serious business. The Nixon investigation took two years. The Clinton investigation took six years. Mueller has been on the job a year and a half. Moreover, to whom was Mueller going to submit his report? The Republican Congress? They would bury it, just as they have buried all their investigations. Now we have a Democratic House. They won't bury it.

 

That is very naïve thinking. This investigation was handled exactly like the FBI would investigate a crime syndicate that will eventually, and to their credit, ensnare many culpable entities. It is actually a relatively short period of time considering all of the dirt and rot that Mueller has likely dug up.

 

That statement is ridiculous, and you know it is ridiculous. That is why you said it.

I don't respond to ridiculous statements.

The last vestige of the Islamic State’s caliphate that straddled Syria and Iraq is under attack.

Members of an American-backed coalition said Tuesday that they had begun a final push to oust the militants from Hajin, Syria, the remaining sliver of land under the group’s control in the region where it was born.

The Syrian Democratic Forces, the Kurdish-led militia fighting the Islamic State in Syria with the United States and its allies, is nevertheless preparing for a slog. One senior militia official estimates the fight will last two to three months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/world/middleeast/isis-syria.html

 

Thank you. Fighting ignorance is a tough slog.

 

Grueling...isn't it?

 

The US goverment abd Saudi Arabia have been propping up the sunni terrorist groups like ISIS and al nusra in Syria for years in ordder to overthrow Assad'd government. But we also have US soldiers in Syria to fight the terrorist groups. And we also want to curb the influence of Iran and Russia by helping the terrorists fight those other powers, even though Trump wants us to work with Russa ato fight the terrorists...

Its a bull **** religious war between iran and the saudis. If they want to turn the middle east into a hellscape we should let them. No need for american troops to fight a war for a foreign power like the saudi royal family. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers wold be rolling over in their graves if they knew our soldiers were fighting a foreign king's war.

 

ISIS has been crushed. And whatever remains of ISIS will be cleaned up by Syrian, Russian, and Iranian forces. Yet neocons and neoliberals want to keep the US military in Syria forever, all paid for by the American taxpayer.

 

Our allies in Europe are more than capable of defending themselves.