F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    Where are the "facts" in that steam of consciousness Rush Limbaugh inspired nonsense? I see a lot of conclusions debunked long ago, but no "facts".
     
  2. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    First of all, this post is not mine and I don't know how my name got on it. However, it is accurate. What about it is "take your pick".
    It is what happened and what is in the process of happening, commonly known as "Fact". What is your interpretation of what did happen and what is happening?
     
  3. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    Here, my google-less amigo:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier#Veracity_of_certain_allegations

    Russian assistance to the Trump campaign
    Main articles: Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and Trump Tower meeting
    A January 6, 2017, intelligence community assessment released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored the Trump candidacy over Clinton's, and that Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US democratic process," as well as ordering cyber attacks on "both major U.S. political parties".[181]

    Newsweek stated that "the dossier's main finding, that Russia tried to prop up Trump over Clinton, was confirmed by" this assessment.[108] ABC News stated that "some of the dossier's broad implications—particularly that Russian President Vladimir Putin launched an operation to boost Trump and sow discord within the U.S. and abroad—now ring true."[50] Referring to the ODNI assessment, former Los Angeles Times Moscow correspondent Robert Gillette wrote in an op-ed in the Concord Monitor that the dossier has had at least one of its main factual assertions verified ... Steele's dossier, paraphrasing multiple sources, reported precisely the same conclusion, in greater detail, six months earlier, in a memo dated June 20."[182]

    In The New Yorker, Jane Mayer has stated that the allegation that Trump was favored by the Kremlin, and that they offered Trump's campaign dirt on Clinton, has proven true.[11]

    In March 2016, George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, learned that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton in the form of thousands of stolen emails. This occurred before the hacking of the DNC computers had become public knowledge.[183][184] Papadopoulos sent emails about Putin to at least seven Trump campaign officials. Trump national campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis[185] encouraged Papadopoulos to fly to Russia and meet with agents of the Russian Foreign Ministry, who reportedly wanted to share "Clinton dirt" with the Trump campaign.[186][187] When Donald Trump Jr. learned of the offer, he welcomed it by responding: "If it's what you say, I love it..."[11] Later, on June 9, 2016, a meeting in Trump Tower was held, ostensibly for representatives from Russia to deliver that dirt on Clinton.[188][189]

    At the July 2018 summit meeting in Helsinki, Putin was asked if he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election. He responded "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal."[190]

    'Golden showers' allegation
    Regarding the "golden showers" allegation, Michael Isikoff and David Corn have stated that Steele's "faith in the sensational sex claim would fade over time.... As for the likelihood of the claim that prostitutes had urinated in Trump's presence, Steele would say to colleagues, 'It's 50-50'."[31]

    According to Comey, Trump told him on two occasions that it could not have happened because he did not stay overnight in Moscow at the time of the Miss Universe contest. However, that claim was soon disproven.[162] According to flight records, Trump arrived by private jet, landed in Moscow at around 3 p.m. on Friday, November 8, and spent that night in Moscow.[191][192] Thomas Roberts, the host of the Miss Universe contest, confirmed that "Trump was in Moscow for one full night and at least part of another. (November 8–10).[193] According to flight records, Keith Schiller's testimony, social media posts, and Trump's close friend, Aras Agalarov, Trump arrived by private jet on Friday, November 8, going to the Ritz-Carlton hotel and booking into the presidential suite, where the "golden showers" incident is alleged to have occurred.[11][194]

    There were a number of meetings and a lunch that day. Schiller related that a Russian approached them "around lunch-time"[195] and offered to "send five women to Trump's hotel room that night".[196] According to "multiple sources", the offer "came from a Russian who was accompanying Emin Agalarov".[195] Schiller said he didn't take the offer seriously and told the Russian, 'We don't do that type of stuff'."[196] That evening Trump attended a birthday party for Aras Agalarov.[197][196] They returned to the hotel after the party. Schiller testified that, "On their way up to Trump's hotel room that night, [he told Trump] about the offer and Trump laughed it off".[195] He then accompanied Trump to his room, stayed outside the door for a few minutes, and then left,[195] According to one source, Schiller "could not say for sure what happened during the remainder of the night."[198] British music publicist Rob Goldstone believes it was "unlikely" that Trump used prostitutes while he was in Moscow. He has stated that he accompanied Trump at the 2013 Miss Universe pageant, and claimed that Trump was in Moscow for 36 hours, and that he was with Trump for 31 out of those 36 hours.[191]

    The next day, Facebook posts showed he was at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel.[197] That evening he attended the Miss Universe pageant, followed by an after party. He then returned to his hotel, packed, and flew back to the United States.[192]

    Republican position on Russian conflict with Ukraine
    The dossier alleges that "the Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine".[199] Harding considers this allegation to have been confirmed by the actions of the Trump campaign: "This is precisely what happened at the Republican National Convention last July, when language on the US's commitment to Ukraine was mysteriously softened."[70] In July 2016, the Republican National Convention made changes to the Republican Party's platform on Ukraine: initially the platform proposed providing "lethal weapons" to Ukraine, but the line was changed to "appropriate assistance". NPR reported, "Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform."[200] J. D. Gordon, who was one of Trump's national security advisers during the campaign, said that he had advocated for changing language because that reflected what Trump had said.[144][201]

    Kyle Cheney sees evidence that the change was "on the campaign's radar" because Carter Page congratulated campaign members in an email the day after the platform amendment: "As for the Ukraine amendment, excellent work."[202] Paul Manafort falsely said that the change "absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign".[203] Trump told George Stephanopoulos that people in his campaign were responsible for changing the GOP's platform stance on Ukraine, but that he was not personally involved.[204]

    Trump had formerly taken a hard line on Ukraine. He initially denounced Russia's annexation of Crimea as a "land grab" that "should never have happened", and called for a firmer U.S. response, saying "We should definitely be strong. We should definitely do sanctions." But after hiring Manafort his approach changed; he said he might recognize Crimea as Russian territory and might lift the sanctions against Russia.[205]

    Relations with Europe and NATO
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    Vladimir Putin, Trump's boyfriend (2017)

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    You C/Ped it into the post I replied to. Naw. Take your pick of how/why it's wrong; it's nonsense.
    Naw. Witch hunt; TDS; Russiagate Conspiracy Twaddle - take your pick. :)
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Nice homophobic flourish at the end of the nothing-burger nonsense.

    :salute:
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    It is the way things unfolded. You cannot change history by calling it nonsense. Tell me what part is nonsense and what your take is on the events listed in the thread.
     
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    I don't expect you to remember, but why the hell can't you watch the relevant part of the interview again? According to you, in this interview, Trump confessed that he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation! Wouldn't every news outlet in the world have published articles about this along with a video clip of the part in the interview that Trump confessed? And the headlines would surely be along the lines of, "TRUMP CONFESSES TO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE BY FIRING COMEY OVER RUSSIA INVESTIGATION!" :roflol:
     
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  8. Nemesis

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    Don't hold your breath.

    :no:
     
  9. Nemesis

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    Why can't you?
     
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    I'm not the one making the stupid claim! Meanwhile, don't you have a post of mine to TRY to respond to?
     
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    How would that even obstruct justice? Comey was already going to be fired, and his firing didn't effect the investigation.
     
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    The news outlets did publish his statements and showed the interview. "Trump told NBC News’ Lester Holt two days after he fired Comey that he was thinking about “this Russia thing” when he decided to terminate the FBI director." And the news outlets did discuss a possible obstruction of justice but didn't blast that possibility in a headline.
     
  13. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    No. No.

    Your posts aren’t exactly chock full of facts, my repetitive amigo.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Russia thing was Comey telling Trump he wasn't under investigation and refusing to go public with it. Comey was at that time working to take Trump down.
     
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    Then they shouldn't be difficult to refute! So why are you having such difficulty responding?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You think that's what Trump was getting at?
     
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    So "Russia thing" = "I fired Comey because of the Russia investigation?"
     
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    According to leftists, it threatened to DESTROY the investigation! When actually, firing the incompetent BOOB would only HELP the Russia investigation by replacing him with a COMPETENT person!
     
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    Happened at the same time Comey was leaking to the press through proxies.
     
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    What's the link?
     
  21. Nemesis

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    I’m not.

    Perhaps you should make a point?
     
  22. Nemesis

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    Look it up, my lazy chum.
     
  23. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    No. This isn’t 2 years ago.

    Nobody’s here to inform you of readily available information.

    Again, have you been living under a rock?
     
  24. Nemesis

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    How do know that it’s stupid if you haven’t bothered to watch something everyone else has watched?
     
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    Did you know Comey was fired on Rosenstein's recommendation? You can read it here. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767
     

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