FISA Judges Have Been Informed - What Are They Doing????

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  1. Bluesguy

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    With a Ukrainian business associate. Conspiracy to what there was no crime in his discussing tbe election with him.

    The indictment is clear Stone had no idea what even WIKI had and no idea when they would release something. So what? What campaign doesn't look for dirt against their opponent? The Clinton campaign wasn looking for dirt on Trump?
     
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  2. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Yes it’s ok to spy on idiots like carter page who got targetted by Russian spies and continued kissing up to the kremlin. All day.
     
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    Yes it’s ok to spy on idiots like carter page who got targetted by Russian spies andcontinued kissing up to the kremlin. All day.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Hacking the dnc and podesta. How do you not know this?
     
  5. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has anyone here read the steele dossier?
     
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    Lying to congress. Nothing to do with Russia.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is a link to a summarry

    https://nucleardiner.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/the-steele-dossier/

    What is striking to me is how unremarkable it is. Because almost everyting in it is now close to being common knowkedge. In largest part, the dossier is not specifically about trump. It is mostly about russian intelligence (. FSB) and their over all goals, and strategies to achieve those goals.

    As i said, everything in it is now pretty common knowledge. Are the Russians. Interested in us politics....yeah. Do they have tactics and strategies to improve their situation in the us? Yeah. Do they try to influence people to their benifit? Yes. Do they use bribery and payoffs? Yes. Do they collect negative info on people? Yes. Do they try to hurt people they consider enemies? Yes. Do they try to cultivate useful friends? Yes. Etc etc etc. the dossier contains details about people they tried to cultivate... which in turn led to fisa warrants on those people to check and see if they were working for russian interests. And it turned out that some of those people worked for the trump campagn. Fisa was not targeting trump. They were targeting people who might be russian assets.
     
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    There you go people. We have a Leftist approving of abusing the system to spy on political opponents. It's what we always knew, but here is one admitting it.

    It's alright to use un-verified, Clinton generated lies to obtain warrants and use the DoJ to attack political opponents. It's called tyranny people and Leftists support it.
     
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    Lets see. Lying to Congress about conspiring with WikiLeaks on the release of emails stolen by Russia. Hmmm.
     
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    yes. And I even posted an analysis by lawfare of what has and hasn't been confirmed.

    Seems a chunk of that "raw intell" was pretty accurate. Some of it hasn't and some I doubt will ever be "confirmed".
     
  11. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Now Hillary wrote the dossier? Lol
    Next you’ll claim she picked the fisa judges and not justice Roberts lol
    Much of the dossier into about Page was accurate. Page, the guy recruited by Russian spies once already.
    Why do you want to give russian spies a pass?
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary paid for the dossier. A foreign agent working with the Russians wrote it. The only pass given has been to Steele, Clinton, Fusion GPS, and the Russians they worked with.
     
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    What pass? It’s not illegal to talk to Russians. It’s not like Hillary got word that putin wanted to help her win and then didn’t tell the fbi, and then lied about it repeatedly.
    Stop crying about Hillary and start worrying why trump hires so many degenerate criminals
     
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    It's not illegal to talk to Russians? lol... it's so fun to see you write that. I have watched you wine and cry about the bogus Trump Jr. Tower meeting over and over again, but here you are now good with it.

    It's illegal to use unverified material to obtain a FISA warrant.
     
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    Stone never communicated with the Russians about emails afaik. There was nothing illegal or wrong about communicating with WikiLeaks.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Maybe but it’s only a process crime lol
     
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    What happened to the burden of proof to be on the accuser? That would like be arresting you for murder without any evidence. I would hope we have not come to the point in this country that the burden of guilt or innocence no longer matters. Innocent until proven guilty use to be the norm.
     
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    Basically, i think it is pretty clear that russia has strategies and tactics to screw with the usa, that includes cultivating useful people and weakening their enemies. Hillary was looked at as an enemy, and various people around trump were cultivated.....including carter page And the fisa warrants targeted carter page because there was significant intel that he COULD be a russian asset.

    Is there anything unverified in the dossier which was used as a basis for fisa warrants?0
     
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    It was known a month before Stone talked with Wikileaks that the Russians had hacked the Clinton Campaign. Therefore he knew he was dealing with stolen goods.
     
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    Page worked in Europe in the oil markets, so that makes him a Russian spy and subject to a counterintelligence investigation on it's face? Without a probable cause? A FISA warrant?
     
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    Which warrants and which unverified material?

    Also, isnt the whole point of such a warrant to verify or exculpate allegations

     
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    Page has admitted to being "Male-1" in this 2015 indictment of 3 russian spies.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1509332/buryakov-et-al-complaint.pdf

    I'd say that's probable cause for counter intell surveillance, wouldn't you?

    But you knew that. You've been told numerous times and yet for some reason you still rinse and repeat the same tired old bullshit bumpersticker objections? Hoping to catch the ignorant?
     
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    No it most certainly is not. That is why the Corrupt DOJ and FBI lied to FISC and concealed that their "evidence" was unverified oppo garbage paid for the Hillary campaign. How can you pretend that this is acceptable in The United States of America?

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    DOJ and Rosenstein Used Unverified Hillary Oppo Research in “Scope Memo” to Launch Witch Hunt
     
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    There's no such charge in the indictment.
     
  25. The Mello Guy

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    Way to leave out the fact that Russia spies tried to recruit him once already. Then he was rigjt back in Moscow
     

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