Should Muslims convert or?

Watch the video he compares Christian Crusader battles with Muslim battles of conquest! Duh!

 

Watch it again,, slowly this time.

You'll figure it out.

 

LOL you have not watched it have you?

 

It's not about the Christians, he compares the typical excuses that come up all the time. what about the crusades,
He points out why Christians went on crusade.
It is not about Christian on Christian battles.


BTW, You can go to his site and he will answer any questions.

I actually did ask him something about a year and a half ago when I first heard of him.
He answered quickly and put me on his mailing list.

 

Christians share the same roots w/ Islam & Judaism

 

We might disagree on lots but you obviously are not stupid, why would you follow this guy who is not a specialist on history or religion? Why not listen or read history from historians?

 

That's not entirely true.

Islam is plagiarized from Judism, Christianity. Zoroastrianism, and Greek Medical.

It has no origin, or history, of it's own.

 

I do, The problem with most historians is that they repeat the info Islam gives them to them.

Islam is one lie after another. a hideous religion that is making endless excuses ,to be accepted in the 21st century.
The original documentation, as in all the mosques, is hidden from the public.

This is only one person. I like his presentation but,
I prefer Robert Spencer, and Ibn Warraq,

and lo and behold, they have the same story, slight variations.


My interest in Islam began after 9/11. I already had Taburi, (40 Volumes), in my library but I started reading it.
This inspired me to get the entire Sunnah and Qur'an, and read, read, read.
When I started, there were very few western Islamic scholars, and they were all condemned by the press. Ironically by people who never read anything from the documented religion, but rather listened to the Islamic Bullsh-ters.
They are starting to get some respect now, as more and more people are learning about the religion.

 

Jesus would say to a Muslim, or Muhammad for that matter, the same thing He said to the very religious Jew Nicodemus, "You must be born again."

 

Screen them extra-carefully, we don't need those like the Muslim FBI agent a few years ago who refused to wear a wire against a fellow Muslim. Dropping the PC would be good also, the Ft. Hood shooter long before his crime should have been given a dishonorable discharge and put on a terror watch list. Everyone was afraid to report his outrageous behavior because they thought the PC police would harm their career if they told the truth.

 

Muslims don't believe in original sin or blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin.. They do believe that Jesus was pure, a man without sin, born of a virgin from the mind of God.

There has never been a conflict between the Shia and Sunni on the size of the Thirty Years War, which saw Christian orders battle each other in seventeenth-century Europe with an awesome death toll.

 

The Tvilah is the act of immersion in natural sourced water, called a Mikva... like baptism?

 

The problem is that Islam is faith based so even if you are to come up with arguments against it, they will still have faith and won't be convinced to be converted. Reason, logic, and arguments have no good place when debating two religions that believe in having faith in their respective dogmas. And if we are measuring the correctness of a religion by the violence in their holy books, the bible has some major problems. It has entire books devoted to a Hebrew genocidal theocracy. The new testament is full of bad ideas like sexism, no divorce, slaves should not escape, people should obey and pay taxes to their kings, you shouldn't defend yourself, people shouldn't care about money and poverty is better than wealth, homosexuality is a sin, religious communism is the ideal society, etc.

 

Everyone has a world-view that involves elements of faith.

It was self defense, like what we did at Hiroshima.

No, it says in Christ there is neither male nor female, a radical idea in that culture.

Except for adultery. Are you aware of the societal carnage divorce causes children?

I'd rather be a slave on my way to heaven than Bill Gates on his way to hell.

Yes.

It doesn't say that, if you're referring to turn the other cheek, that is about interpersonal reactions to insults. Jesus several times commended the faith of Roman centurians, and didn't tell them to get a new profession.

I don't think Jesus said that, He spoke quite a lot about money and how it can be a trap and and idol. What matters is how you earn it and what you do with it.
We are to love people and use money, most do the reverse.

It is.

It doesn't command that, what the Bible describes, it doesn't always prescribe.

We're all called to decide who we think Jesus Christ is, see how that works out for you.

 

When it comes to the Hebrew genocide, the bible never directly says it was out of self-defense, that is your personal interpretation. Problem is, other people may interpret it differently. The direct reasons the bible gives for the genocide are that these people are idolaters and idol worshipers. Another point here is that it was the Hebrews who invaded here, if anything the Palestinians were the ones defending their very existence. From the very first attack on Palestine in Jericho, the Hebrews practiced genocide on all the inhabitants. I guess God is so all-powerful that he can only find his chosen people land that is already occupied, and can find no better way to fix the mess than to commit genocide.

With Hiroshima, we dropped the bomb to get them to surrender, in the bible, they were explicitely ordered to kill women, children, babies and even the animals and to not stop until all nonbelievers were wiped out from the land. In addition, the Hebrew theocracy had a death penalty for having another religion. Genocide in any religious dogma is extremely dangerous and its even more disturbing when we have good decent people like you trying to justify it out of dogmatic faith.

As for sexism, just read a few of Paul's teachings on the obedience of wives. The bible is very direct and easy to understand on this topic. As for divorce, its funny that domestic violence, drug addition, verbal and emotional abuse, horrible spending habits, and the like aren't also good reasons for divorce. I lived with my single mother, and I am glad she divorced my father because he kept beating her. Divorce is better than a horrible marriage.

I think that this bigotry towards people with different sexual orientations is just backwards, and its very obvious that we see this bigotry mostly among the religious who are getting their beliefs from stone-age texts. Without religious dogma, people question old beliefs and society advances much more quickly.

Slaves are just like kidnapping victims, because they are in captivity and forced to work physically or sexually for their masters. Its is insane that the bible makes people choose between escaping their kidnapping and heaven. We still have illegal slavery today, and its horrible, evil, and wrong, and its victims have every right to try to free themselves.

I don't understand why you believe you should obey your king even though no human have a right to be your master without your consent. If people always obeyed their kinds, we would still be under British rule and Europe would still be ruled by despots. We can thank people who disobeyed the bible for the freedoms we enjoy today.

The bible does say to turn the other cheek, but this is an allegory to a way of life, and not literally restricted to that scenario. Jesus was clearly a pacifist and believed in non-violence even when being robbed, and he practiced this philosophy in his own life, refusing to free himself even when he had the power to. I think pacifism takes things to an extreme and we need to stand up for ourselves and defend ourselves against bad people.

The bible is very clear that very few wealthy people make it to heaven and it is the poor, meek, and humble who will be rewarded the most in heaven. He also encourages his followers to give their possessions to the poor and to not care about material things and not love money. This is a nice hippy dippy philosophy but it prevents a strong economy from emerging. As for religious communism, early Christian communities practiced this voluntary communism and the apostles led this practice. Its very clear from reading the bible that voluntary communism is the ideal society, not free market capitalism.

It is only your religious faith that keeps you believing these horrible backwards beliefs. Once you lose your faith, these beliefs and these excuses you give won't make any sense. This is why dogmatic religious faith is harmful. Good people can believe horrible things and potentially do a lot of bad things to their fellow humans. It is very difficult for society to evolve out of backwards beliefs when they are coded into their faith-based holy books. Out next step in our social advancement is to put this religious dogma in the past and to move on past them.

 

The Church was losing power and the Crusades gave it a huge boost plus it was all about looting.. So there was riches to be had.

 

I wouldn't convert to Atheism, 93% of wars were non religious based.

 

When Jesus tells them to turn the other cheek, he is talking specifically about the Roman occupation, Roman law and how to cope with the oppression by shaming the enemy. That's why he also says give them you cloak also and carry their pack two miles.

 

Whilst 99% were fought by the religious!

 

No need for an encyclopedia of wars, name one not fought by the religious, any one will do.

 

The Encyclopedia of Wars chronicles some 1,763 wars. In total, 123 were religious based or 6.98%. but if you deduct the 66 in the name of Islam, only 3.23% are religious based.

Amazing when you now know the facts. Often people claim religion is to blame but they haven't a clue what they're on about.

 

I am not arguing with you about the number of religious wars but the number of wars fought by the religious, it is amazing the number of people who lack an understanding of the english language. By the way their is no specific categorisation of religious wars in the Encyclopedia of Wars apart from in the index in volume 4. The publishers never meant for the book to be used in that way but theists do so love to clutch at any straw they can find!
Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance!

 

nonnie, There has never been a conflict between the Shia and Sunni on the size of the Thirty Years War, which saw Christian orders battle each other in seventeenth-century Europe with an awesome death toll.

 

I'm pretty much genned up on the English language, heavens, born and bred in England.

As per your question, you would have to read the encyclopedia but it may not help if you an agenda because you will disregard it.

I would imagine, for example, WWI was a none religious war but those men and women who fought probably held different religions and some were atheists. I would further imagine the encyclopedia didn't interview all the millions of people over the centuries to find their religious orientation; I know, how inconvenient.

So you are welcome to diss the book, but suffice to say, some 93% of human conflict were not religious based and I apologise if that upsets you.

 

Thank you for that fantastic bit of unwarranted information. I will sleep better tonight.