"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

If cost is your yardstick to declare a health care system is better than the US, Cuba's costs less then the US system

 

Exactly, right. And, we've known about the negative affects of these hyper-fake man made carbohydrates for eons now. Yet, they still allowed this poison into our stores to be consumed and said absolutely nothing worth mentioning about it during the 70s, 80s and 90s. Now, they are pumping the market for hundreds of billions in profits derived from never solving diabetes, but treating it. It is infuriating to say the least how blinded Americans are with respect to what really matters in our country.

National Health is most definitely a National Security Concern right now. People are walking around Pre-Type II or flat out Type-II and don't have the slightest idea where their daily fatigue is sourced. Yet, they will consume 5 to 20 times the amount of man made super-carbs (I have all kinds of name for these poisons) than their biology is capable of handling on a daily basis - affecting not only the Pancreas, but the Liver, Kidneys, Ophthalmic System, Cardiovascular System and eventually the entire Digestive System (Upper and Lower) and the Central Nervous System. At eventually hammered to death (literally) by warped intake of man made toxic waste the entire Medical Industry knows about, the Government knows about and nobody will adequately address head-on by removing that crap from within the boarders of our country.

If we knew that Russian Operatives were running around on our streets disrupting our nation on a daily basis, we would open a can of whop-azz and eradicate them from our soil. Yet, we deplete our soil of vital nutrients, produce less than optimal foods form that same soil and then pump our citizens with man made ethylenediaminetetraacetic acids (EDTAs) and wicked chemical combinations of Fructose/Glucose that send the Pancreas into hyper drive trying to keep up with the insanity of it all. Eventually, the Pancreas either stops optimal production of Insulin, or the bodies cells become resistant to the Insulin as a transport mechanism for the glucose because the cells themselves are literally swimming in sugar and have no need for more.

You are right. The shear number of diseases that stem and branch off of this one single idea are Legion. You are what you eat. But, you eat what's available. And, what The Trusted System makes available is absolutely pathetic and in no way fit for consumption in the vast majority of cases. There is no way in hell we should be dying after only 70 to 80 years on this planet. We should all be living into our 100s and 120 should be normal.

We have our priorities ass sdrawkcab and now that same Trusted System wants to manage my Death Care? No thanks, I'm all stocked up on crazy. Ain't no way this side of the gate to the Bifrost Bride, do I want this Government managing my Metabolism Care, when they have proven that they cannot even clean the shelves of the toxic waste that pollutes the collective biology in this country. I want the ability to pick my own Doctor, so that I can be sure that they have a specialty in Biochemistry and Nutrition, not some General Practice mouthpiece for the AMA/FDA/USDA/AHA and the rest of the alphabet soup Co-Conspirators who are all in on it. And, they darn well know they are all in on the Conspiracy.

The Conspiracy to keep you sick and tired - literally - so that your body can be used to make them rich. And, people still don't believe in "Conspiracies," calling them mere "Theories." These are facts for anyone having done the homework. People are having their literal bodies being used as a source of revenue for The Trusted System currently in existence. We need to abolish that System. We need to tear it out by its roots and kill it with German Made Sarin.

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For all the panicky people out there who reel at the "German Made Sarin" comment. Please, calm down. Sarin, was invented in Germany, during World War II and had an original chemically baseline of pesticide. A lot of the crap that you bought in Lowes and Home Depot during the 90s, contained a chemical that was not too distant from biochemical nature of Sarin.

In fact, some of you lost family pets because you were spraying that crap on your lawns and flower beds trying to kill weeds back in the 80s and 90s - whether you know it or not. Many of you don't know that and you were told that your beloved pet developed a rare form of cancer as the cause of their death. There is s good chance that your pet was overexposed to herbicides, which initiated the cellular destruction of your pet's internal organs. Sick, but true. That's the world we live in. So, excuse me for being a little pissed at those who profit from it.

 

Actually, genuine Socialized Health Care would be rather epic and successful if done right in the United States.

The problem is that because of the politics of confusion, misdirection and misinformation, people have confused Social Medicine with Communist Medicine and the two could not be further apart on many levels that actually matter the most. If you structure Social Medicine properly it would work just fine. However, that's not what Bernie Sanders wants and that's not what Hillary Clinton wants. What they want is what they are not telling you: Communist Medicine. That has the potential for becoming a nightmare for Americans.

We have Corporate Medicine today. Free Market Economy Medicine. The problem is that Corporate Medicine is being run with no different a heart than any pure Financial Market. As a proprietary fund manager and trader, my goal is to grow profits in the financial markets using every legal, ethical and moral tool at my disposal. I would have a fiduciary responsibility to my firm to make sure that I was doing everything in my power to make that happen consistently. Well, that's exactly what you get with Corporate Medicine.

Executives with a fiduciary duty to drive profits optimally, not present the public with the most optimal Care. This would not be the case in a well provisioned Social Medicine structure. Such drivers work well as the CEO and Founder of a proprietary private (closed end) fund. However, they provide a landmine of problems and moral turpitude trenches in the Health Care dimension.

We need real change. Both Corporate and Communist care regimes are broken and will never be optimal. The closest regime to optimal would be Social Medicine done right. To get there, you would have to re-educate most Americans and free their minds from the brainwashing, so that they can see clearly the actual structural optimizations involved in the delivery of a much better environment for Care.

This is the truth not being told to the American People, because it would topple the Trillion dollar empire in America we call Health Care. We can build a better system. We have the technology. We have the capacity. We don't have the heart and we have an Electorate that has been so dumbed down on the subject, that they regurgitate what their Politicians tell them to regurgitate, without really understanding the true nature of how the current system works, why it is a failure, why it will never be optimized for the Customer and how it perpetuates keeping a nation consistently sick all the time in order to feed the demon that it has become over the decades.

Boom.

 

Ha ha...you shouldn’t have mentioned Cuba....it’s better for less in many ways.
Cost is worth mentioning when EVERYONE is covered and it creates more jobs and has longer life insurance expectancy...and Cuba’s life expectancy is right up the with the US. They cover dental which Medicare doesn’t. In many ways, it’s better.
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yesmagazine.org
“CUBA'S HEALTH SYSTEM. The Cuban health system is financed by the State. The population receives free preventive, curative, and rehabilitation services, which range from primary care, routine medical attention, and dentistry to hospital care requiring the use of highly sophisticated medical technologies.”

 

It’s easy finding countries, that have lower heayjcare cost and better outcomes in the industrialized world. It’s sad when even a nit so developed nation like Cuba dies as well.

 

Unfortunately the wealthy have been running the country for too long

 

Public medical care is very good and it's working very well in the Western European countries.
However, the public medical care in the USA was used by the administration in order to drain the money collected from the tax payers and to give it to the bloodsuckers who are selling goods and services to the hospitals at inflated prices. It was also used in order to increase the debts of the country.
The politicians are just puppets of the super-rich. They are doing their best to please the rich and they always increase the poverty of the population, using all kind of instruments to achieve that. The Medicaid is just one instrument and pretext to drive the people into deeper and deeper poverty.
The solution is to build solid anti-corruption institutions for finding those money sinks, to stop all that money drain and to return the stolen money to the tax payers.
The FBI is an extremely corrupt institution so it's not capable and not willing to fight against corruption.
You need much better instruments against corruption if you want to avoid the big disaster the Medicaid was used to prepare for.

 

Just about everyone in the industrialized nations. It’s like righties deny man made climate change and universal healthcare. How can one group be so uninformed ? . ..

 

A lot of good thoughts but just one correction. It’s not the job of the fbi to fight agasint corruption by prosecuting and holding it accountable, any more then it is a local police force. Unfirtunaly, much of their immediate job description comes form their immediate overseeing agency, the DOJ, a quasi political group acting at the appointed will of the president tasked with prosecuting corruption.
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If you don’t like the job of harassing motorists by setting up speed traps by local cops, go to the city and town council, not to the cops on the beat. If you don’t like the job the FBI is focused on, vote out the president and with his cabinet ad most of all, his appointees.

 

Like what? What works in Norway, for example, will not work here.

Just as an example, Norway has about half the population of New York City, and about 500,000 illegal aliens, while Norway has 15,000 illegals. Norway's population is 96% white European, and NYC is a melting pot. A one size fits all socialized medicine might work, if your homogeneous population is about 1% that of the USA.

 

Every first world nation that has it.

 

Rediculous. We have Medicare, it’s cheaper then private insurance and it works. It’s already here. Is your real concern sharing a waiting room with minorities and immigrants. . It’s really the basis for more conservatives false conclusions.

 

But when you put the entire European Union together, the all have universal healthcare, they have immigration problems, but its still cheaper. Maybe Your problem us not with universal healthcare, it’s with immigrants and minorities getting it. It’s getting a tougher argument to make when 25% of your doctors are foreign born and more and more healthcare providers for YOU, become immigrants. You tax them and give everyone healthcare. It’s not rocket science.

 

Obviously you do not want an intelligent conversation; stop being a jackass

 

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/ar...eport-says-medicare-will-be-insolvent-by-2028

The Medicare trust fund will be insolvent by 2028, according to the 2016 Medicare trustees' report released Wednesday. The prediction is a departure from the 2030 date the Obama administration outlined in the previous two reports.

 

While we are at it, I think we should have free healthcare for pets too. After all, they are people too! Everything free and a new living wage of $300 an hour for everyone. That should do it.

 

Why stop there, make it a federal law that we have a Right to have all our dreams come true. How can we ever achieve this liberal Utopia, when people are living out the days of their empty lives while they have dreams that are unfulfilled????

Wait a tic.... I may have just provided a new plank in the election campaign for one of the front runners in the Democratic Party presidential race.

 

And the problem is....?

 

Maternal mortality in the USA is higher than most third world countries.

 

Yes, because medical cartel is stealing money by legally bribing politicians.

 

What is point of a fact perversion?
Medicare is not free.
No one is asking for free health care.
People want something that is predictable and reliable, i.e. backed by the government, if private corporations incapable to provide.

 

Of course it’s not free but the fact is some will pay for all of it, some will pay nothing, that is a fact and you know it. People are asking for free healthcare and free college too, the free college bit is even worse.

 

Yup, people jump on board the everything free bandwagon, because they think they won't have to pay anything for it, because all those greedy rich people will pay for it all, and... they think this is sustainable, and will not have any negative consequences.

Why would these freepers think otherwise, when the US debt for unfunded liabilities is at $123 trillion and climbing. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

You guys have been crying wolf for decades. Meanwhile, both Medicare part A and SS are in the black and continue to be. Trumps budget is planning on cutting benefits from both, which means your payroll tax will be used to fund the tax breaks for the rich. Guess what, you can’t deduct your payroll tax..you’re skrewed like the rest if us while many big corps are paying zero in federal taxes.

 

So when the nonpartisan trustees report on when the SS and Medicare trust funds will become insolvent, and I cite their report, then I'm crying wolf?

Our nation's unfunded liabilities stand at $123 trillion. Our great grandchildren will suffer when the bill comes due, and it will be the witless fools who want to spend, spend, and spend, to make their lives easier today, who will be the cause for all their grief.