Chomsky BRILLIANTLY Dissects Trump, Democrats & RussiaGate

You make an excellent point.

Talking of spinning wheels when Henry Ford II was thwarted from buying Ferrari he chose to defeat them instead at the 24 hour race at Le Mans with the GT 40. For those who understand what it takes to build a vehicle capable of racing flat out for 24 hours it requires a balance between being as light as possible for maximum speed while as durable as possible to take the beating that it will have to endure over that period.

The top teams used a strategy of running 3 cars with one of them designated at the "hare" which is supposed to push as hard as possible from the outset in order to wear out the competitors as they struggle to keep up while the other two cars simple went fast enough to remain in contention to the end.

Perhaps this is the Dem strategy for 2020. Have Biden be the frontrunning "hare" to take all of the damage while the rest figure out who is going to be in "2nd place" so to speak. Then Biden can bow out and hand over his points to the next best candidate who will be a stronger contender for not having been hammered in the primaries.

Of course there is the possibility that Biden will be cagey enough to make it through to the general election which means that the GOP now has to be concerned as to which strategy the Dems will actually pick for their candidate. The GOP could end up wasting a great deal of money attacking the wrong candidates.

 

They do the same thing in foot races too.

I was looking at polls the other day. I think there are six candidates that beat Trump in head to head comparison.

As it is so far, and I think they have agreed to it, but the Democrats aren't attacking each other. It seems to me that Republican politics have gotten to where their primary strategy is to tear down their opponent. If over the next year or so, Democratic candidates are just talking about Democratic ideas, that will be better for the public dialog than what the other side is offering.

It was a strategy that they used in 2018. The Democratic candidates pushed healthcare and other things that people care about. The Republicans ran on protecting Trump and lost.

 

Dems do not get down in the gutter when it comes to their primaries. They discuss the issues in a polite and respectful manner. Unfortunately the GOP cannot make the same claim. BLOTUS supporters are projecting his debate shortcomings onto the Dems.

Hopefully there will a few Republican contenders in the 2020 primaries for no other reason than to provide a contrast between the styles of the two parties.

The 2018 Progressive agenda is definitely a winning strategy for the Dems. The issue will be how do the Establishment Dems deal with it. If they oppose it they will allow the BLOTUS to win but I doubt that they are that stupid. I suspect the Dem ticket will be a compromise with both an Establishment and a Progressive nominee in the two slots.

 

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The level of iron clad delusion in the above is beyond belief. Sharik isn't here or at least I haven't seen him in a while other than that the closest you get to a Russian supporter is Ethereal or something similar to that. The only success of the Nixon Southern strategy was to get Wallace to mount and independent run for the presidency. That likely gave him the win over Humphrey. Almost all the people that made Nixon's southern strategy work have been dead for decades now and good riddance. Most of the people we call racist today are, in fact, Caucasians who look at the bureaucracy and the set asides for every group in the world but them and feel exactly like African-Americans did in the Jim Crow South. They are in point of fact no more overtly racists in most cases than those African-Americans who fought to end Jim Crow and segregation.

As far as comparing the South to the Northwest, it's ridiculous to even try. Even the Demographic Break down is completely different.

 

How old are you fourteen? I've been following politics since I was ten. since the days of back room wheeling and dealing ended Democrats have been every bit as nasty as Republicans during primary season and often worse. And I'll just about guarantee you that this campaign will end just like last campaign with Trump in the white house, and under the exact same circumstance, His electoral victory may be narrower but in the end he will still be there and what ever crazy leftist you put up against Him will still be on the outside looking in.

 

Indeed I do. In fact, I have used it as a teachable moment for managers for years. It perfectly exemplified clarity of vision. And it had the ability to bring people together in thought and purpose.

 

Thanks for the link. I hadn't listened to it until today. Nobody cuts through the bullshit like Chomsky.

Perhaps his most brilliant point is how the real threat to election integrity is campaign donations. Which is why Citizens United represents such a danger to democracy..........and why Repubs clapped like trained seals over the ruling.

 

His observation about the threat of campaign money illustrates the point of how expensive it is to get the Repub base to vote against their own self interests by voting for corporatists.

 

Could be why they spent more on Hillary than Trump by 2 to 1.

 

I get a kick out of the way the Democrats try to keep their batteries charged. Try to make Republicans seem full of hate, yadda and yadda. We are not full of hate. Were we the hateful class, Americans would have lost more cash to taxes rather than less. We would have kept them saddled with the onerous Obama insurance firm assistance laws he passed.

 

Hilarious, the Democratic Party is just as much corporatist as the gop, how else would you explain a shill like Clinton being able to buy herself a primary. The lack of self-awareness by some folks on this board is just mind numbing.

 

The only think he got wrong was that it came after the election not before. In fact, on defense and other things, Kennedy actually ran to the right of Nixon.

 

Yes. This.

 

I don't expect a Trumpist to understand the nuance here. Clinton is someone who operates within the rules of the election game while being a member of a party who wants to change the rules so corporate money is far less influential.

 

Leftists saying that conservatives have become Russian supporters does not in fact make conservatives Russian supporters. The rest of your posting was filled with similar leftist partisan political screed.

 

Maybe not. Facebook is no longer willing to assist the Russians and the Democrats have gotten aggressive in fighting back Republican voter suppression. The courts are in the process of undoing the Gerrymandering in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. In Georgia, Texas, and Florida, there are efforts underway to prevent Republicans from purging the voter rolls of likely Democratic voters. Plus, as conservatives die off, due to old age, those coming of age are overwhelmingly liberal leaning.

 

I find arguments like this rather entertaining. All one has to do is speak extreme honesty to a conservative, and then sit back and watch the show.

Actually, I think that dialog, here and elsewhere, quite clearly illustrated the racist nature of Republican ideology. It may not be quite so obvious to you, as there is a lot of overlap between Evangelicals and racists. In fact, I keep getting the feeling, that the conservative base, wants a resurgence of the Confederacy.

You should read up on Joseph Coors. He has had an oversized influence on your thinking. You should also look up Lee Atwater's namesake. He was one of the architects of the Southern Strategy and he thought it was highly successful.

 

Wishful thinking I doubt seriously if Russian face book ads made enough difference to matter the number of buys were so small that they were almost certainly lost in the shuffle. Gerrymandering has no impact at all on presidential elections and gerrymandering by courts is not an improvement over gerrymandering by politicians. Purging voters who do not exist or who have two residences in different states is a good thing.

 

Why is it that of the states who aggressively purge voter rolls, the Republicans always win?

And Gerrymandering has a way of suppressing the vote. If a community is split in parts so as to prevent it from attaining a seat, why bother voting.

You must ask yourself, why is it the states with the greatest voter turnout, vote overwhelmingly Democratic, whereas those states where the vote is suppressed, and voter turnout is low, Republicans win?

It is quite clear that the Republican Party is a minority party. And shifting demographics are making it more so.

Do you ever pay attention to the bills Republican's pass. That they mostly benefit the wealthiest at the detriment of everyone else. Have you not yet made the connection between Republican financial and tax policies as the primary drivers of the growing wealth inequality?

Do you ever feel used by your Party?

 

Well that's not generally how Gerrymandering works today. In fact, without Gerrymandering the Black Caucus would be about 50% smaller.

 

Now that is delusional. You and Chomsky still seem to be stuck in the fifties. That's the last time any of that crap was remotely true.

 

The Heritage Foundation still decides what conservatives think. And it wasn't in the fifties, it was in the seventies, and continues to today. I grew up in an unique place. As I was coming of age, in Westminster Colorado, just a couple of streets over, a group of conspiracy theorists, upset that Nixon had taken the US off the gold standard, founded the Libertarian Party. Not far away, in Golden, Joseph Coors was upset that Nixon had embraced environmental protection. As result, he gathered a group of like minded individuals and founded the Heritage Foundation. It's primary mission was to spread misinformation about Democrats, environmentalists, liberals and others, so as to diminish those groups in the public's mind. They are the primary director of conservative thought. Sean Hannity is their most famous spokesman.

 

In states like Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, something like 60% of the people can vote for Democrats, but the Republicans will win 60% of the seats. Without Gerrymandering and voter suppression, states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Florida, and Texas might have been quite a bit more blue, not to mention, the Carolinas, Tennessee and Kentucky. It may be that our country, over the last couple of decades, was denied the true will of the people, and have been saddled with unwanted Republican effects, like wealth inequality.

 

Voter suppression is a myth promulgated by leftists that are mad because great grand daddy whose been dead for twenty years can't still vote.