The coming civil war over abortion

If the left keeps insisting abortion rights extend until when the baby arrives home from the hospital, I might sign up for the pro-life side.

 

I'll have to disagree with the wording, though the premise is generally sound. Freely, yes, as a possible consequence of the choice to have sex. Willfully, to me, says with intention, and I wouldn't go so far as that.

 

Religion has nothing to do with (since not all, or necessarily even most, of those opposed to abortion are religious).

Meantime, the constant application of responsibility avoidance mechanisms is the very opposite of freedom and liberty. It functions as amelioration for those unable to manage their own freedom and liberty.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I agree....most people and unfortunately young women and Democrats do NOT know this is NOT about those "precious lives"....it's about taking away women's right to their own body.

It opens the door to taking away other's rights, like minorities, gays, and can lead to MORE regulating of women's reproduction like China did...

DUH, "humanity" will live as responsibly as it always has....without your interference...


NOW, care to address what's in the post you quoted???

 

It can only be wilful, in the adult female who knows how babies are made. There is no work around.

 

Bingo!

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
That's exactly what banning abortion is ....taking away a person's right to their own body.

What TF are you talking about?

 

You really don't SEEM to grasp the concept of responsibility and consequences, not that fact that I have repeatedly told you to have an abortion if that is what you want. Even if RvW were overturned, abortions will still be performed.

You just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over, apparently expecting some different response, and we all know what that is the definition of, while failing to grasp the concepts that they person having sex has made multiple choices, but that doesn't fit your narrative.

Apparently you feel that all responsibility and consequences should be wiped clean, cause dayum, gotta have sex!!!

And just for the record, talk about misrepresentation..... sex is not a crime. But apparently examples are beyond you.

 

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They don't....and don't bother quoting the ONE person who said that, it was horsepuckey...

 

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Babies who were born because the woman was FORCED like a slave) to give birth




Who said she was forced to conceive? Not me.

Are you still saying that having sex should be punished like a crime by FORCING women to gestate???

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NO, I DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER SAID THAT AND THAT MAKES YOU A L---....a "misrepresenter"

I stated CLEARLY IN ENGLISH that slavery is taking away one's right to one's own body which is what banning abortion does.

Tax payers DO NOT PAY FOR ABORTIONS AND NO ONE HAS EVER PROVED THEY DO.

HOWEVER, YOU seem fine with having to raise taxes to pay for all those poor kids who will now be born.

OR will righties , true to their past, still cut funding to entities like Welfare, SNAP, WIC that AID CHILDREN???

SO what IS IT? Being forced to pick cotton? That's all you think it is???

As I have REPEATEDLY said, YES THEY do....THEY DO, not YOU.

Wow, contradicted yourself in one sentence…..if sex is not a crime then why are you comparing it to a crime?
CRIMINALS DO have a say in their own bodies, they cannot be forced to use their body to sustain another's life, for example, they cannot be forced to give their heart or blood or spare kidney to someone else.

YOU want pregnant women treated worse than criminals, you want to FORCE them to have to use their bodies to sustain the life of another..... THAT is slavery.

it's the physical responsibility for one's actions.....

No, it doesn't, it points out the glaring error of the other poster..

A weak quibble, you stated "I seemed"...which was untrue.

IT DOESN'T.

WHERE does the government get the money to pay for more and more poor children as more and more women can't get an abortion?

I hope you truly understand it will be from taxpayers.

YUP! Key words "NO CHOICE".....exactly what banning abortion is....being FORCED to gestate.

so you think that having sex means a person has no further CHOICES? Ridiculous! That's saying having sex is a crime!!!!!!
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Not being able to rectify the consequences IS slavery.

Once you get past the idea that having sex is a crime punishable by forced gestation …………

You just keep regurgitating the same thing about how YOU determine ALL responsibilities and consequences for ALL other people....and you don't...…



Apparently you consider having sex a crime punishable by FORCED gestation.

No it isn't so why do you want to punish women who have sex with FORCED gestation???

 

Colorado certainly seems to think so, and I agree. I hope they get the additional funding they seek.

The program, known as the Colorado Family Planning Initiative, provides intrauterine devices (IUDs) or implants at little to no cost for low-income women at family planning clinics in Colorado. It contributed to a 40 percent drop in Colorado's teen birth rate and a 42 percent drop in the state's teen abortion rate between 2009 and 2013, according to state datareported by the New York Times's Sabrina Tavernise.

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/7/587750...eDhNGyWVUWTWxIkFpaMuR6c-NzweBrPpkEYyuqdFs8pwc

 

Those who are pro life should be contributing to the lives of those they 'save'...money, food, education, etc. But we all know that, once they're born, those children need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And the mothers need to get their lazy asses to work, pay for daycare and make a life for the children they didn't want.

 

I'm not. Who is filling your head with such silliness

 

Only someone living in a cave does not know that Religion has a whole lot to do with it and the majority of anti aborts hold that position on the basis of Religious clowns claiming to speak for God.

Who told you that abortion is irresponsible? Quite the contrary. For many abortion is the responsible thing to do.. especially if one is not in a financial position to support a baby. Mitigating the consequences of an accident that one has made - such as an accidental pregnancy - is the responsible thing to do silly.

 

If you drink and drive and get into an accident, should we pay for that too?

 

Your posting history shows that you side with conservatives more often than not if not all the time. Other posters here seems to agree.

 

It cannot be a punishment when she invited it. Consent, and all that. Full female autonomy over what happens to her body, and all that.

And the only crime committed is on her part if she changes her mind at some point after the fact, and decides a baby is inconvenient.

 

So? What in hell does that have to do with it? Are you so much of an ideologue that you cannot find common ground with those not exactly like yourself? Are you incapable of seeing merit in the position of The Other? Why not just join a cult and be done with. Will be more soothing for you.

PS: that right there is exactly the stuff which kept has kept me voting Left all these years. it's no better than religious fundamentalism.

 

No pregnancy is accidental. There are so many ways to avoid pregnancy that you have to really stretch and twist to make that idea hold. Even then, it collapses in even the dimmest light.

FTR: Every woman I know (and almost all are 'liberals') is opposed to abortion, and is not religious. They are not anti-choice, but they are anti-abortion.

 

Oh right, we talk about starting civil wars but you don't mean we'd ever actually do it.

Good argument.

So you believe every civil war thread has been started by a conservative, so that must be true.

This is the typical way a leftist comes to conclusions: they think it is so, so it must be.

I know.

Let's test your hypothesis using the search function.

Searching by "civil war" in the title leads to this:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?search/20661353/&q=civil+war&o=date&c[title_only]=1

Let's count the lefties who started threads about civil war, shall we?

One

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-civil-war-ineviteable.554938/

Two

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-cold-civil-war.554231/

Three

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/has-america-entered-the-second-civil-war.542982/

Four

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...itions-we-need-a-revolution-civil-war.540954/

Five

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...started-a-civil-war-over-nixon-ouster.531876/

Six

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ussia-witch-hunt-will-civil-war-ensue.520218/

Now I didn't include some of @Space_Time posts re: civil war....because he's one of the few people here that seems more interested in the story than the result.

Now go find me 7 or 8 posts started by conservatives on the first couple pages.

There are a few, but not as many, and certainly NOT a majority.

I eagerly await your next unfounded belief.

 

You have it all back to front. What we would like, is women to stop making babies they don't want or can't afford. That's where it starts. When they do that, none of the after-the-fact stuff you mention is an issue.

 

She invited sex not pregnancy....I explained all that to you before....women cannot invite pregnancy or choose to become pregnant , they either get pregnant or they don't.

Consent to one act is not consent to any other act.

If you invite someone into your house and they start beating you up do you just take it because you consented to them entering your house.

Normal people don't take it, they call the cops or fight back.

Which should include the right to choose an abortion.

Deciding a pregnancy is inconvenient is NOT a crime.

 

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Then why are you against abortion?