Ask your difficult questions about religion here

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  1. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    No it doesn't fit anything. In the process you're referring to, what emerged from the ooze was microbes. Millions of years of evolution produced dinosaurs. When humans first appeared a few hundred thousand years ago, the earth had existed for many millions of years. So the Genesis story is a myth. There was no talking snake. No fruit which, when eaten, imparted knowledge. Nothing but myth... with some pretty good spiritual implications.
     
  2. Kode

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    What was your question?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is an interesting interpretation...thanks. My mind unfortunately, cannot accept what it has seen as impossible without verifiable evidence to do so.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What was the question?
     
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    Typically, in religions that practice spell casting, when casting a circle, one is taught to raise it by walking clockwise and lower it be walking counter clockwise. Now is that an actual harnessing of natural forces, which could be demonstrated by the corriolis effect, or is it just a means by which to focus the mind? If the former should a circle raised in the southern hemisphere be built counter clockwise, and lowered clockwise? If the later, then does it really make a difference which direction is used as long as all participating are using the same direction?
     
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    If you take the creation story as anaolgy, it fits perfectly. It fits the Big Bang, evolution, all of it. I'm not trying to say man directly rose up fully formed out of the ooze. But that is indeed where we started, as part of the evolutionary chain, right?
     
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    It's all about mind tricks and con jobs in my opinion. If you believe it strongly enough you will get results.
     
  8. Kode

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    That seems to be the opinion of leading scientists. It is also pretty logical.
     
  9. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That depends upon your definition of ‘started’.
     
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    Imaginary characters are like that.
     
  11. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."

    The writer said that the Jews were not sinful like the Gentiles were. The problem is that the Jews believed in the law while the Gentiles didn't. The Gentiles were sold the story that they had to have faith in the Jesus character, who they didn't know from a tree. The Jews didn't have faith in the Jesus character. They relied upon the law.
     
  12. Dissily Mordentroge

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    ‘Law’ in this context covers a mulititude of sins, especially in the light of rabinical interpretation of the time and the ongoing arguments today.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
     
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    Right, so having identified those, what can an irreligious society learn?
     
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    That every evolutionary chain started as simple cells in the ooze.
     
  15. Maquiscat

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    Your confusing things in your context again. Early Christians didn't call themselves that. They were still Jews, as far as they were concerned. And the Christ had come to bring the new covenant, abolishing the old law. So yes, many Jews had faith in the Christ. Today Jew means both the racial Jew and the religious Jew. And there are indeed Jews for Christ. Look them up.
     
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    Sounds rather atheistic. I'm looking for an answer in the context of the religion, as we have been getting for the Christian ones.
     
  17. Dissily Mordentroge

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    A very specific kind of ‘ooze’ is required to trigger life as we have it on planet earth. Those conditions go back a long way.
    Those who believe in life resulting from design have it easy. They can choose any particular point in the cycle as the time God entered the equation.’
    Those of us not gifted with this easy way out are faced with an almost infinite range of conditions/universes one of which just happened (coincidence /luck?) to provide the necessary pre-conditions for life as we know it. Life as we don’t know it is another question.
     
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    Walking in circles and conjuring up results sounds rather cultish rather than religious. I can't connect your description with any religion.
     
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    you would need to ask the person that practiced that flavor of religion that question. Why would you ask a Christian for instance to explain Buddhism? Otherwise that is for you to figure out.
     
  20. Maquiscat

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    Uh...Wiccian and many other pagan religions, particularly Earth based or Goddess based. Are you really that sheltered?
     
  21. Maquiscat

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    Hmm.... let's see.

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    Reading is fundamental. Not one word here isolating this thread to Christian topics. If this was intended to be a Christian topic only thread, then it should have been clearly stated as such.
     
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    Do you need personal attacks to help you? Don't you know they are cults? You referred to "religions". Casting spells is the domain of the occult.
     
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    No one has brought up non-Christian religious issues yet. Or at least all their questions have seemed to be implicitly relating to Christianity. (What would you expect from a pack of Atheist trolls?)
    I had assumed as much when starting this thread, although was willing to touch on other religions also.

    We can discuss other religions if you want, although that may be a little difficult now that this thread is on page 12.
    No, you didn't miss anything in the title.
     
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    Civil law covers a multitude of offenses as well, an ever growing list of ones.

    Why would you criticize a religion for having laws when your own government has the same thing?
    It's like an inconsistent double standard.
     
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    Why do christians like you result to childish insults?
     

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