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Speaking of Australia:

Two men in a bar. One says "A girl I met in Sydney gave me a sexually transmitted disease". His mate replies "you were lucky, in Darwin you would have had to pay for it!"

 

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the presence of the 2nd and presence of mass shootings.

 

Ah - you --choose-- to be ignorant of the fact the removal of the 2nd does not abolish the right to keep and bear arms.
Why do you --choose-- to be ignorant?

 

And thus, you agree:
Your estimate has little to no basis in fact.

 

Ok... and your point?
You have no demonstrable idea whatsoever how many "kids" are murdered each year in the US, or why.

 

I am not at all surprised you failed to comprehend what I said.

 

If I am beating my head against a brick wall and feel pain, should I stop beating my head and feel no pain, there's a high degree of likelihood the pain was caused by beating my head against that wall, yes?

Unimpressed as I am with your massive grasp of Latin words and use of them as though there was some sinsiter and mysterious power in them, I am making no appeal to emotions....it is a fact that mass slaughters have become so routine over there, you have become blasé and accepting of them. You file it in that special box in your brain marked "it's just a cultural thing, so don't worry and there is nothing I can do about it."

 

Sure, as you insist on the bleeding obvious being hand fed to you. 2nd Amendment > guns > mass slaughter involving guns.

 

Perhaps you could type more slowly and hit the keys harder?

 

So... you -cannot- show the necessary relationship between your gun laws and the lack of mass shootings.
As expected.
Thank you.

Yes. Yes you are.
When you can present a sound argument - one with actual facts rather than your unsupportable nonsense - let us know.

 

Non-seq -- your conclusion does necessary follow from the "facts" you laid out.
Again:
Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the presence of the 2nd and presence of mass shootings.

 

So you can again choose to not understand what I type?

 

Oh yes it does.

 

How about I toss in an ipso facto and raise with a res ipsa loquitur?

 

Given your vast knowledge of the subject I am surprised that you are not able refute any specific point raised in my post.

Like the British and most Americans, Australians have been disarmed by their government. I bet you know that.

 

If you get rid of the second amendment, what about all the guns? If you could get all the guns, what about the borders thru which new ones can be smuggled into the country? And if you get rid rid of the second amendment, whats to stop the first amendment from going the same route, and the rest of them to boot. And if you seal the borders to prevent the smuggling of guns, what about the lefts advocacy for open borders? Toss it away with the guns? And if you do all that, what has the left turned into but its true self?

 

My condolescences to the families of the victims. RIP

Sadly, too many people in USA consider the 572,000 lives lost to guns in 1999 -2016 an acceptable price for the Second Amendment.

 

An argument taking advantage of the fact that its not possible to record the deaths prevented by people defending themselves by the exercise of the Second Amendment.

What few studies have been attempted have found that guns are likely used to prevent more crime than they're used to commit. How many of those prevented crimes would have led to murder is impossible to know.

 

It is entriely up to you. If you do nothing, the mass slaughters will continue ~ simple as that.

 

Not sure Alaska is the example you want to run with here. By the standards of where I live it is most certainly a 'raging bloodbath'. Even by US standards it is very violent.

https://www.ktva.com/story/37361490/alaska-deemed-most-dangerous-state-in-us-in-new-report

My state has a population a bit under 6.5 million and in 2016 had 66 murders - a very bad year by our standards. Normally it hovers around 50. Alaska has that many with 750,000 people. In fact, if your state was part of Australia it would account for over 20% of all murders with about 3% of the population.

That might not be a 'bloodbath' to you, but it would be to us. As you have ruled out 'culture' and 'types of people' as the reason for this (I suspect you are using coded phrases for particular ethnic groups there, but no matter) then maybe guns do have something to do with it. Whatever the case, not an example we are keen to follow.
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What points? You just keep reproducing the same NYT article and making easily disproved claims - like the idea that guns are 'banned' in Australia or that crime rates have risen since this nonexistent 'ban'.

What you have proved is that my initial comments about this thread reminding us of the fundamental sickness present in US society were 100% on target.

 

Same thing we hear in this country, banning semi-auto guns isn't a gun ban since there are still guns you can legally own. Yet, you restrict Muslims from 7 countries and they call it a Muslim ban. Your crime rate was declining before and after your gun ban, the ban had little to no affect on total crime rates. Same as in the US where the crime rate has been falling since the 90's.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/03/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

Now, if we look at homicide rate by race, then you see where ChoppedLiver is coming from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

 

.....and your murder rate is still 4-5 times higher than ours. We don't have a big problem. You do. This thread sands as yet another testament to that.

 

I’ve had 3 friends that were able to drive off home invaders with a gun, one of which had to actually pull the trigger and kill the invader to defend his family. I have also seen first hand what happens to households when a state of anarchy ensues and a home is not defended with firearms. It is not pretty.

I am glad that you have been able to live in a bubble of relative safety and security. I hope you understand that not everyone is as fortunate as you, and sometimes the only thing standing between people with bad intentions and loved ones is a person armed with a firearm. When those situations occur, by the time the police show up it is far too late.

 

It's all a matter of choice or what one loves. You can do good and raise your children right...or not.