Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    could you clarify what constitutes a “legitimate minority worthy of special legal protection? “
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHHAHAHAHA!

    Thanks for establishing that you don't even know the meaning of the term secular.
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    No we should not get out of healthcare. We should be like every other industrialized country that make sure every citizen can see a doctor. Thanks to the affordable care act millions and millions and millions of people cannot see doctors when they couldn’t before... people with existing conditions can see doctors. I agree about the insurance companies.
    Do you really believe that it was liberals who were against desegregation? If you notice all those Democrats became Republicans after the civil rights act. Conservatives were against that and liberals were for desegregation
    Vietnam was a disgrace and all it did was leave thousands and thousands dead. I was in Vietnam recently and it is doing just fine. It’s a good thing there were protesters. What would we have accomplished if we didn’t leave?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    But I bet you have no problem with the president who is an adulterer and divorces twice and has probably broken every commandment. He is a liar, he is greedy etc. and you prefer a person like that over a hard-working good person who happens to be gay.
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    And what about people who believe mixing races is immoral?And what about people who follow the Bible and believe a woman should be subservient. Should they ignore what she has to say?
    If a baker won’t follow the law he should not be allowed to declare any tax deductions
     
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  6. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    But yet I am sure this baker would have baked a cake for Trump who has broken every commandment
     
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  7. Robert E Allen

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    Well first off a don't think any minorities should get special treatment of any kind. I believe everyone should be treated equally.
    We have rights as individuals not as members of a group.
    However thats not the reality of our situation. I'd say that race and religion should be the only minorities.

    I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree though
     
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    Yes Vietnam is doing fine , now that they kicked communism to the curb..

    Our leaving Vietnam contributed directly to the murder of millions in Cambodia.
    Leaving was just as bad as being there to begin with.
     
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    It did answer your questions. If you want something more then explicit, take a course in biology. You’ll not get anything that explicit from religion. It’s just, Faith.
     
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    1. People who believe interracial marriages are immoral are idiots.
    2. You have a complete misunderstanding of what the bible teaches about wives. Yes, you do.
    3. How about we lower taxes and get rid of all tax deductions.
     
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    Robert E Allen Banned

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    Maybe, maybe not. That should be up to him and none of your business.
     
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    All Obamacare did was steal from the middle class and made sure that they couldn't afford to go to the doctor. Or amything else for that matter.
    Obamacare destroyed me financially for 3 years. The problem with health care is that it's too expensive. It's that expensive because of government involvement and insurance companies.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Healthcare costs will NEVER be brought under control without major government intervention due to greed and corporate control....as regulation was removed profits increased and costs went up.
     
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    As competition increases costs decline. That cannot happen with government and insurance companies taking their share.
    Government run programs run costs up.
    I am opposed to making people pay for other people's health care.
     
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    IIRC, the Colorado case was overturned not on the merits of the baker's beliefs, but on the fact that the judge was shown to be biased in the case, and had exhibited it in court and thus the baker did not receive a fair hearing. The ruling noted that the result could end up the same, but that the hearing needed to be fair and unbiased.

    There was also other cases that have had different results. Basically, the collective rulings have noted that generic products that are on the shelf and ready to go are subject to the anti-discrimination laws, but any specific decorating is subject to the beliefs of the baker. IOW, you still have to sell the same sex couple the blank wedding cake, but you do not have to decorate it with same sex wedding specific decorations.
     
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    Actually yes. As a matter of fact, while not under Mormon auspices, I am in a poly marriage with two wives and a husband. And not a single government entity will come after us because that marriage does not possess legal recognition, even though it is recognized by all of our friends and family (legal vs social marriage).


    That would be some Christians. Other Christians believe that supporting everyone in love is what Christ taught us. Of course this will be the point that you will probably try to use a True Scotsman fallacy.
     
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    Factually false. Many are, yes, but not all. A law that prevents human sacrifice as part of a religion would be constitutional.
     
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    Because it violates a persons constitutional right to life.
     
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    But it's a law against the free practice of a religion. As you said, "Any law regarding the free practice of religion is by definition unconstitutional."
     
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    I thought some things would be obvious. I guess not.

    Ok. Any law regarding religion that does not violate someone else's right to life liberty or property is unconstitutional.
     
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    So here is a new question to add to the mix.

    Would not atheism be an active belief? If you are presented with the idea of a deity, the only possible outcomes are to actively believe said deity exists (theism), actively believe said deity does not exist (atheism), or be undecided (undecided). Anytime we are presented with anything that we cannot prove, these are our only three possible outcomes (actively believe true, actively believe false, undecided). which believe we take can be influenced by possibility and probability. Just because it is possible, doesn't mean it is true.
     
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    With some theists, they think their religions allows them to over come other's rights or that the others don't actually have those rights. That's why one needs to be careful with broad brushes, and assumed obviousness.
     
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    We all believe that everyone should be treated equally. It’s very easy to say but actions speak louder than words. White males were treated special for generations and now they have to give up a little by sharing the pie
     
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    What would have been different if we never went there
     
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    If we never would have been there the communists would have won the election.
    After that they would have murdered all thr Catholics and everyone who worked for the French and all the Catholics .
    They would have taken land from anyone who had it, they wouldchave taken businesses away from those who owned them. Murdering most of thoes people.
    Communists would have taken over Cambodia, Laos and Thailand where they would have murdered 10s of millions

    Millions more in the region would have starved to death due to the ineptitude of the leaders.

    American involvement saved millions of lives.
     

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