By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

Im done answering questions only to have the ones I ask ignored/evaded.

Why would someone feel that they couldn't safely and effectively make use of a firearm?

I will respond only by repeating this question until you address it, and then I will happily address additional questions.

 

Nobody asks about the valid reasons for guns after they are banned.

I don't care if some people can't have guns-I can and the law does not care about "valid reasons".

 

You really don't know?

Many people simply don't like guns, and many have good reasons. I was just reading about a woman who shot her husband in the face in an argument. There's just endless stories of people using a gun in haste, accidental deaths, murder, suicide, etc.

I think the idea that everyone can and wants to be some sort of paranoid soldier/policeman, and thinks that's a good safe idea, is just ridiculous.

Cars and motorcycles are dangerous, too. That's why there are so many laws and rules and regulations....and many people don't drive and don't own a car.

 

Mental Health and Criminal background checks on all gun sales.

Making it a felony to buy a gun in a straw purchase if the person who receives the gun is not eligible to own a gun. (also, if you make a straw purchse for a known criminal, and the gun is then used in a crime, you should be charged as a accomplice for that crime)

Strictly enforced gun safety standards when it comes to children (parents who simply give their guns around for their kids to find should be charged with murder if the child or anyone else is killed because the child got ahold of their gun)

 

A woman who shot her husband in the face during an argument wouldn't be able to legally own a gun anyway. Thats a dodge.

Not liking guns would not inhibit someone from using one effectively if need be. I don't like getting covered in sewage, but sometimes the sewer needs maintained. Not liking it doesnt stop me. It wouldn't stop them either.

The simple fact is that criminals go where cops are not, and self defense may become necessary regardless of all other precautions.

So why would someone feel that they couldn't (not dislike, but lack the ability to) safely and effectively make use of a firearm?

 

WA made it a felony to buy a gun in a straw purchase if the person who receives the gun is not eligible to own a gun. (also, if you make a straw purchse for a known criminal, and the gun is then used in a crime) several years ago. It has since the law passed netted in total ONE conviction. Ever. And that only after the prohibited person shot someone and was arrested for the shooting. So they would've been caught and prosecuted anyway, but now their sentence is longer.

All well and good... but WA has spent $10 MILLION PER YEAR enforcing this law. For ONE increased sentence.

That is not a good law. Its a WASTE.

 

I also think we should ban person to person sales, and require that all private gun sales be made through a third party broker. These brokers would perform all background checks, and hold the weapon during waiting periods.

 

We do that in WA too. Gun violence has since reduced precisely as much as it was trending to reduce prior to the law being enacted. Which is another way of saying it hasn't demonstrably accomplished jack ****.

 

So now we're all supposed to go buy guns because we can use them? **** you. I find guns to be a coward's weapon. I don't think guns should be allowed to anyone but policemen because they allow people who are cowards to become bullies (criminals are professional bullies) and cowards make the worst bullies there are.

(and please, no bullshit about women or small people or confronting multiples etc etc, You can almost always run and not get shot if there are no guns in the offing)

 

Or catches them in the crossfire.

 

Or saves their lives.

Fortune favors the brave.

 

Quote me saying that or **** yourself.

Are you saying people should run from bullies to avoid being cowards and/or bullies themselves? Nothing about that makes any sense. Guns prevent bullies from having a physical advantage over their targets by reducing the threat differential. A bullet is as lethal to a big muscled 'brute' as it is to a frail 'weakling.' I figure many of the anti-gun are bullies who are afraid their physically weaker targets might stop fearing them.

 

How many crimes would never be committed if the criminal was not armed?

 

Are you saying that we should stop bullying by enabling more people to do it? Nobody should ever be a bully but guns give even small people the ability to become bullies. Most bullies eventually stop doing it because they run into people bigger
than them but most bullies with guns just become murdering bullies when that happens

And yes, I have enough societal sensibility to think that we are generally benefited as a whole if people commonly run away from trouble instead of murdering their assailants.

I don't have to quote you saying anything. This entire thread from the get go has been a dig at non-gunnies as being cowards, well, right back atcha buddy. I'm not the one who has to strap on a Glock to go for the groceries.

 

You can't murder an assailant unless we make self defense illegal.

The rest of that I'll just leave as a monument to the 'reason' behind gun control and why we shouldn't make self defense illegal.

 

Bullets seem to favor toddlers

 

pure BS.

In the US, bullets favor impoverished gang affiliated minorities in dense urban centers.

At least twist the facts, not your fantasies.

 

Well hell why not just call all crime legal. Semantics to the rescue.

The best reasons for gun control are the 10,000 deaths every year that are PROVABLY due to guns and nothing else. You seem to think facile arguments outweigh literally tons of corpses.

 

Those who do not arm themselves are at the mercy of those with arms. It's as simple as that.

 

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So it's okay to kill the occasional four year old if we take out a few gang members too?

 

You can't prove another tool wouldn't have been used instead any more than I can prove there weren't far more murders because crimes were prevented by armed citizens.

 

So get rid of all the arms, even simpler

 

At least you understand the value of being armed. Unfortunately, your fellow leftists want to disarm you, leaving you at the mercy of your enemies.

 

I merely corrected your mistake. Why would you presume a moral lead where none was mentioned?

 

Just so we're clear- you believe self defense should be a crime, correct?