War with Iran would be an act of treason!

I am sorry but I am tired of the United States and the West getting involved in the affairs of the Middle East.

We have had debilitating sanctions on Iran for decades.

we brought them to the table and negotiated a decent nuclear treaty and then ripped it up. And then we added more sanctions.

We surround Iran with our planes and our ships.

Iran has never attacked the United States they have never attacked a neighbor.

Meanwell The Saudus have given lots of aid and support to Sunni extremists who have attacked the United States, Europe and even their fellow Muslims.

There is 0 defense or economic interest in going to war with Iran.

attacking Iran and going to war with Iran would basically be an act of war against the American people and our interests in the world. We need peaceful diplomatic and economic relations with the world not more war and suffering and blood and bombs!!!

War with Iran would be an act of treason against the American people and those who support such a war with Iran would be traitors to the American people including the president and members of Congress.

It's time to stop this insanity.

No war with Iran!!!

 

Who is going to war with Iran?

 

Calm down, Chicken Little.

There will be no war with Iran.

 

Simmer down, Beavis.

Not a single pair of American boots will be fouled with the soil of Iran.

 

Good.

We had a Iraq.

We had Afghanistan.

We had Syria.

Enough is enough!!!

every time the west or the USA invades a middle East country everything goes to ****

 

Yet

This is all on Trump

If he had not pulled out of the Iran deal.......

 

Actually it was that fine specimine of a president that sent a planeload of cash back to Iran. I want that money back and let them drown in their oil.

 

Iran would still be funding Houthis, Hamas Hezebollah,and every other terror outfit in the middle east that can say Shi'a without spitting or cussing and in generally trying to be a regional super power. You may think that is just fine but a hell of a lot of people don't and a lot of them live in the Middle East the land of awful choices.

 

They should probably stop shooting aircraft in international air space and mining international waters then.

 

As opposed to us trying to be the regional superpower, in their region?

Moralization is not something the United States can put forward and be taken seriously.

So, let's drop the moralizing. Do you really believe that Iran is a threat to American global hegemony?

 

At the moment no. But there willingness to attack other nations tankers and close the straits of Hormuz has to be dealt with and in no uncertain terms.

 

Even if I'm going to assume that this is actually what's happening, there's an easy way to deal with it: Pull our own forces back from the region.

Let me explain my own view on American-Iranian relations: In both countries are factions of hawks that are taking actions intended to create friction between our two countries, exemplified in men like Bolton and Soleimani. Ultimately they will succeed, unless the political leadership in these countries keeps them under control.

I have little faith in the power of the Iranian political class to hold the IRGC at bay. I fully understand that Trump has the power, and maybe even inclination, to keep monsters like Bolton and Pompeo in check.

 

!st faulty assumption is that the Ayatollah isn't backing the military to the hilt. He's running an increasingly unpopular show and needs a distraction in the worst way. I have no doubt he will do what ever it takes to get it. How many more attacks on tankers are we supposed to permit?

 

How many more attacks on tankers are we supposed to permit?

I don't know what the Ayatollah wants, my vague understanding is that he does indeed lean towards the IRGC. I do know that American sanctions and mobilizations are strengthening the hawk wing in Iran, at the expense of those who desire peace.

Ask the Japanese or Norwegians.

 

Why not the the UAE or the Saudis or Yemenis? As for what the Ayatollah want's, indeed who knows. Some sources suggest he may be willing to do something drastic on the off chance that it might bring the 12th (or is it the 13th Imam) back out of hiding. Me I don't know.

 

I chose the Japanese and Norwegians for a reason. The UAE have obvious reasons, other than attacks on oil tankers, for wanting us to attack Iran.

For Japan and Norway the tankers are the only concern. No muddying the waters with ulterior motives.

The truth is that a few attacks on tankers, even if being carried out by Iranians, don't justify the massive war we'd be getting ourselves into. Why not allow the international community to carry out an investigation, and if Iran is found to be guilty of these attacks, maybe cooperate more closely with us in our sanctions?

 

The Stupid Orange SOB is going to start a war

 

The U.S. should've gone to war back in 2005 give or take and toppled the regime there.

Iraq in 2003
Iran in 2005
North Korea in 2008.

That's the way it should've gone.

 

So our doves have turned into hawks now huh?

 

If it is indeed the sanctions provoking the behavior won't that just make it worse? The attacks on international shipping and the Drone shoot down seem to me to be litterally begging for a war.

 

Yeah and if Trump had done nothing in the face of Iranian agrees in in the straits of Hormuz you'd be screaming why doesn't he do something.

 

Sure, maybe. But the fact of the matter is that most of the international community blames the United States for current tensions. If we take the course of action I just spelled out, and Iran responded to international opprobrium with hostility, it would be easier to garner international support, both diplomatic and material, for military action against Iran.

If, tomorrow, Iran closes the strait, I support an American effort to re-open the strait, fully understanding that this would lead to a catastrophic war between our two nations and probably others. I would also blame Bolton, Trump, and Pompeo for putting us in that situation.

 

So if Iran commits an act of war you would blame Bolton, Trump and Pompeo.

 

Absolutely. We are responsible for how other people interpret and react to our words and actions.

 

By now you must have heard Trump sent war planes to attack and called them back at the last minute.