We are past due for welfare reform

not paying your fair share of taxes is the same as free stuff, even worse... why did Amazon pay no taxes?

 

Yes. It shows illegals do not qualify for or receive welfare. As I keep pointing out.

 

That's the AOC tribe argument. Fact is those people have their own countries, and have failed to manage or improve their societies to be livable- so they want to come to ours.
That just doesn't fly, and it's damn sure not racial- it has to do with many things, but racial only appears prominent to those who don't want to look at anything else.

First of all- we are a nation that has excellent immigration acceptance. To think that we have a responsibility to meet demand for access when we aren't creating or inviting that demand, is to ignore the rights of the very American people who have been generous, and put them as secondary to anybody else in the world who wants to think their rights override ours.

I expect a person who wants to come to America to want to BE an American- not a colonizer who wants to turn America into the nation he came from, or undermine all that has been built here which is the reason they want what we have in the first place. Building a nation, which is an ongoing process everywhere, is somewhat like building a house. If you want a safe home that protects those it shelters, you must- MUST- be selective in the materials you build with. That means no only good materials, but ones that are compatible with the overall needs, suitable to the purpose. Thus- we must be selective in terms of many factors, but color/race is not relevant except to those who wish to find excuses to call other people racists.... which sadly- reveals THEM to be the real racists.

 

Stop talking about Trump in a bad light for once will ya?

 

When a group from one area of the world gets locked up and the people locking them up suggest targeting specific other countries for future immigration, then it is racial or ethnic. It's saying we don't want people from one country, but we want them from another.

How do so many on the right manage to totally ignore reality? America isn't close to being fully developed. There is no rule that a country has to benefit more with skilled labor than unskilled labor. If a country needs unskilled labor and the unemployed skilled labor won't do that job, then getting the unskilled labor works best.

I've been around since the Truman days and I haven't seen evidence of our country having excellent immigration acceptance or having a history of such. It's a figment of your imagination. We've never had an excellent acceptance of our own citizens with differences.

It sounds to me like a bunch of White people are scared and they should be. I'm White, have had my six White kids grown and I'd be very disappointed if any of them acted like these White cry babies on the internet. It's your own damned fault, if you didn't reproduce. If you can't do that well, what can you do?

 

I figure that when you play checkers, you judge your position and victory by the color you are playing, with no consideration for anything else. You damn sure haven't researched the facts, though you may have gone cherry picking to support the view you want to believe.

The immigrant share of the US Population is at an all-time high.
1/4th of all the immigrants in the US today are illegal.
In the last couple years, Asian immigrants have outnumbered Hispanics- but tend to be legal immigrants.
In 1965, we had 9.6 million immigrants, and passed the "Immigration and Nationality Act".
in 2015- 50 years later- we had 44.9 million immigrants, over 400% increase in 50 years.
That number is projected to be 78.2 million in another 50 years. The number of immigrants in increasing much faster than our overall population, we are bringing in more than an equal share.
More than half the refugees accepted in 2018 were from the D.R.Congo and Burma... Hardly the world's creme of the crop.

All the above is documented and comes from PEW Research, well known polling and statistics service that is politically neutral. Such information is not hard to find if you actually want to know.

 

Just add it to the list of all the other things you have figured wrong. I've review PEW and many other resources long ago.

According to the most up to date numbers from the Census (July 1, 2018, the foreign born are 13.4% of an estimated population of 327 million, so there is no better source for numbers than the Census Bureau. Note, a person can be foreign born and still be a US citizen, like tRump's wife, our First Lady.

Refugees are a very small part of population gains, so your point about where they came from is meaningless. The odds are, the people from D.R. Congo and Burma were highly selected to get a refugee status. You obviously lack the sense to know the value of people, if you think their country of origin determines that value, hint, it has nothing to do with skin color.

The gross statistics also don't reflect the amount of foreign born who are in our country legally to work here, like all those people standing in line, which your types use as an excuse for not allowing others to even get in line.

So what the hell does it all boil down to? It's obvious to me that many in our country don't want people from Mexico or the triangle countries, but I wonder if they know who those people generally are ethnically, like having a large amount of Native American blood in their genes.

A person, wanting to build America and not destroying it, wouldn't care if 50 million managed to immigrate and get citizenship in the next 10 years. The fact is, the right wing don't care about America, they care about themselves and some foolish notion that their race makes them superior. They know minorities don't like them for good reason and do whatever they can to suppress them.

 

I haven't read anything from you yet that wasn't foolish. An intelligent man doesn't insult others over things when obvious truth is in plain sight, pretending it's not visible.
You think not wanting people without morals and values is the same as not wanting people from where-ever. Wrong. The question is not what color they are of where they come from, but what kind of person they are- and the range of humanity has always included princes and hoodlums, every kind of person. We have a right to sort these out, an Obligation to sort these out when people ask to come here- because the safety of our society, including you, depend on us doing that. Thus we need enforced borders, control of entry- and we need people to stop thinking that we are the social service agency put here to solve eveyone else's problems.

Many people want to come here for the same reason a cow breaks through the fence- the grass is greener. However, with people they do have options. IF they watered and fertilized their own grass, it would be just as green. When they won't do that for themselves and want to come here because we have done what they will not- they just aren't qualified. It doesn't matter if they are white or black or brown. The sad part is that we are saddled with that same kind of people in our own population- and they, like you, argue that is just isn't so.... but their solution to their problems is always to drain somebody elses pockets.

You are making foolish arguments. Ignoring facts you don't like. That's not discussion, that is argument- and of no value.

 

It's done all over the world, by the poorest people in the world. Clearly, resources are not required. Adding an extra bowl of rice to the menu costs very little, and 10 people in a two room house is normal anyway.

The problem is that First Worlders are only prepared to help when they don't have to be 'made uncomfortable', so anything they do for Granny is going to be expensive. After all, she'll need her own space, and her own bathroom, and special meals ... etc. A Third Worlder isn't horrified by sharing a room with Granny (and 4 other siblings).

 

That's not what was said, at all. Breeding is a choice, in the 21stC. Hard to believe, I know. It probably sounds outlandish to all those medievalists who think women have no choice in the matter, and must expose themselves to pregnancy via lots of unprotected sex. But I assure you, it's true.

 

Families are not. Yet they benefit from their little meal ticket.

 

Or (this might seem revolutionary) be a responsible 'parent' and ask yourself if you can afford a child before procreating. Your children are YOUR responsibility, not MINE or anyone else's....YOURS.

 

Ya know who is against it?

Farmers


The American Farm Bureau Federation opposes E-Verify and stated in July 2011 that it "could have a significant, negative impact on US farm production, threatening the livelihoods of many farmers and ranchers in labor intensive agriculture."[95]

 

because America cares about American children and were not gonna harm then just cause of there parents being from another country

 

The policy of anchor babies should be ended. I wonder how many pregnant women died in the deserts trying to cross the hostile terrain to reach our magic soil? Does anyone give a damn?

 

many laws I do not agree with, but until it changes it's the laws we have

yes, they risk a lot to come to our great country for a better life for their children

do you want to kick them out and make them do it over again with their American child?

 

I want people to respect our Immigration laws and i want my 'leaders' to enforce them, not call the 'waycist' etc. But I guess i am asking to much.

 

then tell people like Trump to stop hiring illegals, they come here for the jobs, no jobs, no illegals

 

I oppose the farmer's position.

 

So in other words, you dont want to answer the question. Or you just want to ignore reality. Which is it?

Sometimes people ARE trying to be responsible, and yet, birth control measures arent perfect.

 

I assure you, that sometimes birth control fails. I know this as a fact, as I have had it happen to me. Thankfully at least a woman can still control her own biological functions at this time, and as people of means, we were able to afford Ru-486, which medically ( not surgically ) was able to abort the fetus.

 

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

 

Legal immigrants yes, illegal immigrants no.

 

I didn't ask you for a link. I asked you which specific social safety nets do you think illegal immigrants are eligible for? Please tell us all which specific social safety nets you think illegal immigrants are eligible for.

 

Digging into your source, this is what it says.

People eligible for benefits.

• lawful permanent residents, or LPRs (people with green cards)
• refugees, people granted asylum or withholding of deportation/removal, and conditional entrants
• people granted parole by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a period of at least one year
• Cuban and Haitian entrants
• certain abused immigrants, their children, and/or their parents
• certain survivors of trafficking

All other immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, as well as many people who are lawfully present in the U.S., are considered “not qualified.”


So pretty much anybody sitting in a detainment center is not eligible. Everybody else, including those in sanctuary cities would be?