Republican Politicians on Fox News Blame Video Games for Latest Mass Shootings

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  1. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    Seeing as how act like these happen long before Trump took office, I would say that overall, Trump's rhetoric is not the root cause.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find that researching the author of a non-fiction book generates trust or distrust in that author's words on an issue. Knowing the source of an opinion is important.

    There are more studies concluding that video gaming alone does not create or encourage violence than there are those that agree with Grossman's hypotheses.
     
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    It absolutely could have. Same could be said for the 2017 congressional baseball shooting as he wanted to kill because of healthcare legislation. But we can't tie rhetoric as an excuse to redirect the conversation. Rhetoric is ripe on both sides.
     
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    Yeah and all the black shootings are Obama's fault, how dumb. Literally the most ignorant, most divisive, partisan hack BS one could come up with. If you don't think immigration laws shouldn't change that's on you the law is detain and separate period. If you don't think we should discuss the fallacy of our immigration and the ignorance behind the laws then your not worth discussing it with.
     
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    Relevant page please
     
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    So, what is the right doing to tone it down?

    And can you give examples of inflammatory rhetoric from the left equal to what Dirty
    Donnie spews?
     
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    We heard all this wild-eyed bullshit about how video games/computer games cause everything but 'global warming' for the past two decades!

    You can go back to the year 1999, when we played games like Unreal Tournament and Quake III Arena, and you'll see lots and lots of "shoot-'em-up" violence with an amazing variety of weapons ranging from knives, pistols, and shotguns, to mobile launchers that fired rockets and bombs!

    The graphics, the spatial effects, the artistry of "rag-doll" movements, the sound, "blood and guts"-factors -- yes, all that is much more vivid and more realistic now than it was back then, but if gaming, per se, causes mass-murders, it seems that we would be seeing several thousand such mass-murders every day throughout the world!

    Hint: in a world with 7.8 billion humans, it is generally estimated that there are one billion firearms.... :eyepopping:
     
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    Here are the key findings of the study:

    Key Findings of the Phase II Study

    1. The 63 active shooters examined in this study did not appear to be uniform in any way such that they could be readily identified prior to attacking based on demographics alone.
    2. Active shooters take time to plan and prepare for the attack, with 77% of the subjects spending a week or longer planning their attack and 46% spending a week or longer actually preparing (procuring the means) for the attack.
    3. A majority of active shooters obtained their firearms legally, with only very small percentages obtaining a firearm illegally.
    4. The FBI could only verify that 25% of active shooters in the study had ever been diagnosed with a mental illness. Of those diagnosed, only three had been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder.
    5. Active shooters were typically experiencing multiple stressors (an average of 3.6 separate stressors) in the year before they attacked.
    6. On average, each active shooter displayed 4 to 5 concerning behaviors over time that were observable to others around the shooter. The most frequently occurring concerning behaviors were related to the active shooter’s mental health, problematic interpersonal interactions, and leakage of violent intent.
    7. For active shooters under age 18, school peers and teachers were more likely to observe concerning behaviors than family members. For active shooters 18 years old and over, spouses/domestic partners were the most likely to observe concerning behaviors.
    8. When concerning behavior was observed by others, the most common response was to communicate directly to the active shooter (83%) or do nothing (54%). In 41% of the cases the concerning behavior was reported to law enforcement. Therefore, just because concerning behavior was recognized does not necessarily mean that it was reported to law enforcement.
    9. In those cases where the active shooter’s primary grievance could be identified, the most common grievances were related to an adverse interpersonal or employment action against the shooter (49%).
    10. In the majority of cases (64%) at least one of the victims was sp
     
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    Really?

    Let’s see who is getting campaign contributions

     
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    You seem to be reliant upon a single book, perhaps because it backs what you already believe. That's called confirmation bias.

    Here is a list of books on the subject of video games and violence, most of which were written by actual psychologists.

    https://www.questia.com/library/controversial-topics/video-game-violence-and-children
     
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    Except of course by every criteria the violence has increased since Trump took office. Just possibly his endless efforts to instill hate of illegals and Mexicans And to rev up his white base might have something to do with the increase.
     
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    TV shows are the main culprit.Like - Criminal Minds -.
    I can't Imagine my Parents ever switching channels and stumbling
    on whatever Network has that gruesomeness available for public
    consumption.If Walt Disney were around he would put a stop to
    Hollywood and their Crime/Sex crazed Producers/Directors and
    Writers.
     
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    Intent is an important consideration. The El Paso shooter had expressed extreme views, including his abject hatred of immigrants, ahead of his actions. I don't think the Ohio shooter was politically or ideologically motivated.
     
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    And your evidence is? Oh, that’s right! You made it up!

    I have no problem denouncing violent video games, or violent TV or movies. Indeed, I have been an outlier on this subject.

    Violence on TV normalizes violence. Just as putting dysfunctional families on tv validates the dysfunction and irresponsibility in ordinary life.

    However, having ready access to civilianized weapons of war makes it possible for the more easily influence minds to act on these negative messages. Examples abound. From New Town, to Columbine, to Aurora, to Parkland, and now El Paso.

    The story is so predictable, that the script writes itself.
     
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    BWC ha ha ha ha!

    Been there read that and it is cover to cover hooey!

    Lott is completely discredited
    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/John_Lott
    https://www.vox.com/2016/8/30/12700222/nra-social-scientist-claims-debunked
    https://www.mediamatters.org/washin...researcher-john-lott-platform-push-repeatedly
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...exactly/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4eb224ed35c
    https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/
    Lott runs the website “Crime Prevention Research Centre” and earlier today I did an analysis of one of his misleading graphs

    All I can say is the fizzy math and coding errors seem to be continuing
     
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    Neither should have been easily able to obtain a weapon of war......America is the only western nation that has laxed gun laws that allows these atrocities to continue
     
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    Not with this frequency. There have been 250 mass shootings this year, which is more than one per day.

    Trump's excuses for these "very fine people" and his own frequently racist statements and tweets have made a huge difference. White nationalists love Trump. His words embolden them, make them feel understood and approved of from the highest office in the country.

    Words have consequences.
     
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    We cannot get away from the 'blah' denials of the far right defenders of guns.

    We have a problem.

    People point guns and shoot lots of people.

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    trump himself joked about shooting immigrants, gave a wink and a nod to his bigoted supporters......I approve
     
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    Sorry, but changing what is defined as a "mass shooting" and then lumping ALL shootings that fit the description into that group, does not prove much. To correlate these shooting with gang shootings is not really intellectually honest. While I am disappointed in the rhetoric of our President, that does not mean that his rhetoric is what is causing these mentally disturbed people from going off the deep end. To blame Trump is nothing more than political posturing. Trump is no more to blame for these shooting than Obama is to blame for the Florida night club shooting or the Sandy Hook shooting.
     
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    Really? The left has been spewing track people down, follow them and yell at them. Get in their face... Punch them in the mouth... If you deny that, then you are missing the battal chants of the left.
     
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    I never said Trump was causing right wing nut jobs to go on shooting sprees in crowds of innocent people. My opinion is that there is a correlation between the increase in such incidents and Trump's often racist rhetoric. Correlation and causation are not the same thing.
     
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    Yes, correlation is not causation. Unfortunately, not to many people are wise enough to recognize that fact. They go straight to the knee-jerking without thought. Though, Trump's rhetoric is certainly not helping the issue.
     
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    trump has stood before those creeps at the NRA numerous times...I'm with you...Has joked about shooting immigrants at the border...He is very much part of the problem
     
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    I agree, you should have just said that the first time.
     

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