Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

I think you should ask this question to jordan Peterson.... who apparently thinks that atheists like sam harris are confused about their athism

 

FoxHastings: How does one fail at being an atheist ?


What a silly idea...

If I knew who those people were I might ask them.....might have better luck with them than the person who I was posting to who seems to have disappeared...

 

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.....

 

I was unaware I missed one....please ask it again.

 

If evolution is proof God doesn't exist, why do 85% of Americans believe in God and 57% believe in evolution? Something wrong with your proof there.

 

Atheist, former believer here. I'll take your questions on, just for the hell of it. (Get it?)

There's one real God in heaven and a whole bunch of fake gods running around pretending to be God.

Because God's in his heaven and all's right with the world.

God doesn't hide from you, you just refuse to see Him.

Nothing, obviously, since God created everything.

Depends on who you ask. Different denominations believe God interacts with the world in different ways. Deists believe in a clockwork universe with no active interference from God while most Protestant denominations believe God will intervene on someone's behalf, although the why and wherefore is unknown.

Actually, God created the perfect environment, but Adam & Eve's disobedience of God caused us to have to live in this shitty environment.

Here you're touching on what made me have to go atheist. But just for the sake of argument, God created everything perfect in its own way. Sometimes that includes flaws, or what seem like flaws to our eyes.

Obviously God doesn't worship anyone. God creates everyone and gives them free will. That they go bad is not God's fault but their own. Alternatively, if you prefer predeterminism, everyone is already destined to either become good or go bad and God has no control over that.

Suffering ends with death. Those who have accepted God (or God's son) will go to heaven and know an eternity of joy and happiness. Those who haven't will experience a whole new kind of suffering (except according to Jehovah's Witnesses, who say the rest will be snuffed out).

You have to believe to see the proof. It's like looking at an image thrown up on an angled piece of glass. As long as you're looking at the image, the glass is invisible. Until you take your eyes off the image and actually look for the glass, you won't be able to see it. Your eyes are on the earth and all the material things on it, and so you see no proof of God. And you won't be able to see any proof of God until you take your eyes off of the earth and all the material things on it and look for God.

 

Who do we worship? We Don’t have faith in the supernatural man in the sky? Asking anyone to prove a negative is so ridiculous. Prove there aren’t pink unicorns in my backyard singing Baptist hymns . It is up to me to prove it true. Please address that
Atheism is not a fallacy and doesn’t fail by its own logic. Logic is the opposite of believing in the supernatural. Watch out, the devil might get you.

 

The reason people believe in God it is because they need to believe that there is something after they die. There is something that they can lean on The reason they create gods is for things they don’t understand. As an atheist there is a lot I do not understand but I do not make up stories. It’s like children with Santa Claus. The ancient Greeks had all these gods when they couldn’t explain things like going around the sun So they created some guy with a chariot. People create God and believe in God because it gives them comfort and I am glad for them. I just can’t suspend all logical thinking

 

Where does that leave creationism?

Oh, by the way, young earth theories of inerrant religionists ARE falsifiable


Re karl popper....
The fact that evolution is not falsifiable does not mean it is wrong
.... just that it happens over time scales that preclude the sort of experiments that would be required to make evolution falsifiable


What ever criticism you might make of evolution.... the theory maps to the data in a much much much better way than any theory of creationism that i have ever seen. When creationists come up with a theory that better maps to the data than the theories of evolution .... then i will take creationism seriously.

 

They also need a purpose, a reason for existence. But I fail to see how people's motives for believing in God prove or disprove God's existence. Plenty of logical people have believed in God, including Isaac Newton and Christopher Langan, more than once described as the smartest man in the world.

Personally, I now believe they are all fake, but I was arguing as a believer might. The Bible says there's one God and all the others are false, and the New Testament says that the way to get to heaven is through God's son, Jesus Christ.

God is not a man but a spirit being. I see him in everything around us, from the stars in the sky to the flowers on the ground.

Actually it would be more accurate to say that you'll flunk the ones who refuse to do as you ask, who ignore you and deny your existence. You'll reward those who do as you ask and acknowledge your presence. I'm guessing you do actually do that.

How do you know? You presume to know what is perfect, but you're looking at it with human eyes, not God's eyes.

Again, you're presuming to know God's will or presuming that life is preferable to death for those babies. If all those babies go to heaven, aren't they going to be a lot happier there than enduring a lifetime of hunger and suffering?

A God that didn't wouldn't be much of a God, would he?

 

STILL UNANSWERED :

If there is a god or gods where are they?

Why can't we see them?

Why are they hiding?

What are they afraid of?

How do they affect the world?

Why did they do such a crappy job creating an environment for their rather delicate human creations?

Why is everything they created flawed?

Why do they worship, encourage, and support Bad People?

Why don't they end suffering, ya know, do SOMETHING GOOD ????

Why is there no proof they exist?

Oh lordy, all the usual pap and fairy tales I was raised on....non-answers , xecuses, ...no facts, no proof....

Can't you guys even come up with NEW excuses???


Here's a particularly nauseating one:

""Because God's in his heaven and all's right with the world.""


WTF does that mean?

YOUR world is OK so the WHOLE world is all right?

Have you listened to the bloody NEWS lately??

Have you actually THOUGHT out that piece of nothing???

 

I didn't say I believed it. My world actually sucks. But I'm aware that your attitude toward life basically determines how you experience the world, that if you see the world as rainbows and puppies, that's what you'll get, whereas if you see the world as war and poverty and misery, that's what you'll get. Those who believe in God see evidence of God's existence all the time, all around them. Those who don't believe in God could witness a miracle right in front of them and chalk it up to random chance. What you believe is not determined by what you see, what you see is determined by what you believe.

I've pointed this out before, but asking for proof of God's existence is denying God's supernatural status. If you could prove God exists by scientific experiment, God would cease to be supernatural and just be natural. And then you would call it nature and not God. The very nature of God means that you can't ask for proof without disproving God. You have to accept God based on faith and not reason, not logic, not evidence. Say 100 people pray to God for $1000 and half of them get it. Believers will say God answered half of their prayers, disbelievers will say it was random chance, and anti-theists, like a lot of people on here, will say God ignored half their prayers because God is evil. But in all three cases, it's you, the observer, who is interpreting events by how you see God, not how God really is.

 

Just a bad joke.

 

Evolution doesn't disprove the Christian God at all. The largest Christian denomination in the world (the Catholic Church) pretty much agrees with Evolution. Every Pope since Paul VI has.

 

Doesn't that cause a bit of a problem with Genesis?

 

Evolution runs counter to the Bible and creation story, but Christians tens to pick and choose what parts of it they want anyway.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Oh lordy, all the usual pap and fairy tales I was raised on....non-answers , excuses, ...no facts, no proof....

Can't you guys even come up with NEW excuses???

Here's a particularly nauseating one:

""Because God's in his heaven and all's right with the world.""

WTF does that mean?

YOUR world is OK so the WHOLE world is all right?

Have you listened to the bloody NEWS lately??

Have you actually THOUGHT out that piece of nothing???

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Absolutely NOT.

The world is what it is.

How bloody illogical....you think because I look out the window and see a beautiful garden then the whole world is a beautiful garden !!!! That just does NOT make sense or have a relationship in any way to REALITY.


You REALLY think that if a person is healthy the whole world is healthy??? Preposterous!!

If YOU have all the food you need do you REALLY think everyone on earth does??? Ridiculous!

It is NOT evidence of god's existence, it's something they make up in their minds...

What I believe is based on FACTS, those things believers fear..

Do you have to accept what the used car salesman tells you based on faith and not reason, not logic, not evidence? That would make a person look quite...er...naïve? gullible?

I say half the people were lucky.

Why would god reward greed?

Why would god favor one person's needs over another?


If an abused child locked in a cage prays to be let out why wouldn't god let them out???



C'mon, I know you have a good Hallmark greeting to cover those questions....

 

What does that have to do with my statement? Does it support it or refute it?

 

The Catholic Church does not only agree with evolution, it was instrumental in developing it...Gregor Mendal .
The problem for all Christian religions is; so when in the evolutionary chain did God decide man needed a savior in his image and likeness.

 

Science doesn’t confirm or deny God. It has better things to do.

 

Hmmm... perhaps you haven't met one of these perpetually happy people who nothing fazes. But they exist, and a lot of them are atheists. They don't just see a beautiful garden out their window, they see the whole world as a beautiful garden. For them, negativity doesn't exist. War, sickness, poverty, hunger, they're all illusions to them. For you, they exist and are real, so you see them everywhere. But again, it depends on how you see the world.

To you. For them, it's evidence of God's existence. They can see it, you can't.

As we have seen from the Meuller report, "facts" can be very dependent on the observer.

To misquote Jesus, render unto the world the things of this world and render unto God the things of God.

Does your view alter the reality of the situation? You talk about "facts", but in my scenario, the only "facts" were that 100 people prayed and 50 people got what they wanted. Whether you interpret that as God's positive intervention, random chance, or God's negative quality, the facts remain the same.

Why are you assuming those people were greedy? Why couldn't all 100 need $1,000 for whatever reason?

Here you're asking me to know the mind of God, which I never tried to do as a believer and obviously never will try as an atheist. One of the more interesting questions I faced as a believer was, "Why are there martyrs?" Here you're talking about people who not only believed in God, but practiced Christianity faithfully, i.e., they were saints. These ought to be the people God would come through for in a pinch if he ever came through for anyone, but in the case of martyrs, he didn't. Why not?

How about a Bible verse: O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? Romans 11:33-34 (KJV)

 

So you do not consider abducting innocent small children from their parents and incarcerating them is squalid conditions to be Crimes Against Humanity?

 

Ironic PROJECTION since only theists erroneously believe that evolution is proof that their imaginary god does not exist.

There is no need for science to prove that the theist god does not exist.

The burden of proof remains on theists to prove that their imaginary god does exist.

They could not do so BEFORE we learned about evolution and they still can't now.

Why is that?

 

The vast majority of Christians (75%) worldwide understand that the bible is metaphorical and not to be taken literally.

Only evangelicals and fundamentalists (25%) take the bible LITERALLY which is why they, and they ALONE, have a serious problem with science and evolution because it causes them Cognitive Dissonance.

The rest of Christianity accepts that their beliefs are based upon entirely upon their own faith and that science is knowledge about the natural world. They have no problem accepting both and getting on with lives.