One way to help prevent mass murders

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

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    1. The last two major mass murders were in a city street, and in a Walmart parking lot and store (where guns are sold) neither are gun free zones. 32 people died.
    2. If a potential killer is deranged there is a good chance that he will not abide by your logic and plan to find gun free zones.

    I asked you a question yesterday and you must have missed it so I will ask it again.
    Do you support the families of all the innocents that were killed or is that inconvenient? There has always been some legal versions of gun control. One can not own machine guns bombs or bazookas. Background checks are lawful. Sale of "Assault rifles" were legally banned. Felons cannot own weapons. Red flag warnings are legal.
    Common sense would indicate that this is not an all or nothing choice. There are things that can be done that could save some lives.
    You are a person who speaks here for the lives of the unborn innocents why aren't the lives of other innocents of concern to you?
     
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    Because like many "pro-lifers", they only care about a fetus. Once it's born they couldn't care less if that person lives or dies.
     
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  3. Sirius Black

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    How many mass shooters have been stopped by armed bystanders? Name some.
    The police engaged the Dayton shooter within 20 seconds of the first shot and killed him within 30 seconds and yet 10 people were killed. Could an untrained civilian have improved on that?
    Why were so many people hit in that 30 second time frame?
    How could an armed civilian have saved any of the 59 people who died in Las Vegas?
     
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  4. MelKor

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    Ban or restrict the use of ASSAULT weapons.......That would be a start....But NRA members apparently need these weapons to fight the Gubber-Mint
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NOPE.... totally out of context and propaganda.

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    There were many people there that were not White Supremacists trying to save the statue of Robert E. Lee.

    You are spreading lies over and over and over again.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what the 2nd Amendment is about. We are supposed to be protected from our own government. The deaths are tragic, but hardly support surrendering our rights as Americans. All this allows is for more Authoritarian Government, which is what the Founders were escaping in the first place and why the 2nd Amendment is so vital.
     
  7. Sirius Black

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    No I think you have misinterpreted here. The second amendment is limited to forming a well regulated militia as noted in the Second Amendment and in Article 1 Section 8. The purpose you propose taking up arms against the US government is defined in Article III Section 3 as Treason.

    The Constitution does not forbid restrictions on the right to bear arms. There are already limitations. One cannot own certain types of weapons. Felons can not possess weapons etc.
     
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    The founding fathers did NOT have a standing Army...The needed citizen soldiers...No longer relevant today...Your interpretation is distorted and wrong
     
  9. MelKor

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    Hard to believe the founding fathers would put forth an amendment that would...overthrow......The founding fathers...Absurd logic
     
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    there's no such thing as an 'assault weapon'...

    it's just a vague, all encompassing term, made up by gun grabbing america haters, in an effort to lay the groundwork to disarm americans...
     
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    here's another... get rid of the masses, quite simple, really.
     
  12. Sirius Black

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    No one here hates America. No one is trying to do away with all guns. It is logical to think that reasonable laws to help protect innocent American victims by controlling some types of weapons or limiting access to them is in fact patriotic.
     
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    Someone disagreeing with you does not equal “hating America”. That goes for either side. Grow the f**k up.
     
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    WHOOOOOSH!!! ... talk about missing the mark. The CITIZENS were to protect "We the People" from the Government, with.... wait for it.... wait for it.... THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

    You're welcome.
     
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    those laws already exist, yet even cali's unconstitutional restrictions couldn't prevent a mass shooting because criminals dont give a f*ck about law... ergo, any further restrictions will not curtail them... iow, every new 'law' is strictly aimed at disarmament of america & everyone knows this...
     
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    Yeah "Nobody goes there any more because it's too crowded".
     
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    No, they got it right and you got it wrong. Do you honestly think "We the people" could defeat the military?
     
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    Yes. It's what happened to the British, who wanted to take our guns. How the **** do you Leftists not know your history?
     
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    No amount of checks on individuals etc will come to anything, its just playing around on the edge of the problem. It doesn’t take too much imagination to realize that that firearms play no part in civilian life. They have just one use, to kill with the utmost efficiency.I would guess that few civilians have much of a clue as to adhering to the safe handling of their weapons. Firearms together with ammunition are stored in broom cupboards, loaded hand guns left around the house etc
    On average two children every day are admitted to hospital with gunshot wounds.
    Civilian’s owning guns are far more danger to themselves, their loved ones and friends than any fantasy of self protection from others. To protect yourself you would have to have your firearm loaded and instantly ready to fire 24 hours a day.
    Americans are today have been killing each other with their guns since the 1960s more than all the soldiers killed in every war since the War of Independence.
    After every massacre the same old crocodile tears and sham sympathy from the arms sellers, and politicians while the gun nuts recite the 200yr plus old constitutional right to play with their guns.
    It’s not the gun it’s the man who carries it. How many times do we have to hear that old mantra? When we all know the truth i.e. remove the gun from the man and the problem is solved.
     
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    An interesting approach to the history of the United States, Drawn no doubt from a Bang, Bang movie, straight from Hollywood.
     
  21. Sirius Black

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    Why is it when people challenge your thesis and you state "try and prove me wrong" you never seem to answer the challenge?
    By the way gun free zones do not account for "more than 90% of mass murders"
     
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    Right....when the people and the military had the same weapons. How do you not know your history?

    Before you make some asinine assumption...no, I'm not looking to ban any weapons or add more gun laws.
     
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    Using weapons against the Federal government is treason. Do you not know your Constitution?
     
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    Oh right, because "we the people" all have tanks, jets, carriers and such. Typical right, stuck in the past.
     
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    You clearly have no read the Federalist Papers or understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment. "We the People" are supposed to have access to the same type of arm as a Light Infantryman. So that we can stand up to a tyrannical government that would take away our Freedoms, Rights, and Liberties.
     

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