Mass Shootings -- Becoming More Common? Done mainly by Crazy People? And those Video Games?

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    If you like milk then drink it.

    If our LPS laws were reformed and our mental healthcare systems consequently expanded the homicide rate in the US would be significantly reduced. The intent is to reduce tragic mass shootings and get help for the mentally ill. There is no scapegoating going on here.
     
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    So what are you proposing ???
     
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    Not all crime, just the crime caused by prohibition.
     
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    The same thing I always propose, constitutional governance. Yes, I agree, that is usually a futile proposal.
     
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    It’s substantiated by research and documented in the book referenced. The Danish and Finnish studies are convincing.
     
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    1. All Legislation should be directly related to goals related to tasks constitutionally authorized,
    2. And all legislation should use the least intrusive means of achieving that goal.
    Every Court available to the citizen should hear cases on those two points and rule in the defendants favor where they can show that test one was not met, and where it was met, that test two was not met by the government.
     
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    Does Marijuana cause people to be more violent? Or do people that have a propensity for violence also smoke pot?

    I would say that it is much more likely the later. Pot is illegal in many States. Murder/violence is illegal in every state. I would bet that people with a propensity for violence are not really worried about the legalities of pot.

    I started smoking pot when I was 12 years old. When I was in High School (60's-70's), I would say that at least 50% of my fellow students smoked pot....many of them still do today. Almost all of my class (99%?) went on to live productive lives without expressing a desire to kill people. In fact, I would say most of them become more violent after drinking alcohol than they ever did after smoking pot.

    I'm not saying there is NO danger from smoking pot. I would suspect that a mind that is already weak could certainly be negatively influenced from smoking pot....or from drinking alcohol, sniffing glue, snuffing aerosol, or consuming bath salts. However, it is not the drugs that cause the violent tendencies. The tendencies were already there.
     
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    Being Informed has nothing to do with arriving at valid conclusions ??? Really ???
     
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    Agreed, and since you brought it up, what constitutional authorization do you see for drug prohibition?
     
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    Marijuana causes some people to be more violent.
     
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    These are post decriminalization homicide increases.
     
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    What constitutional authorization do you see for gun control?
     
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    That is a little more tenable position....
     
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    Incorrect an Assault Weapon was not used in that shooting.

    Try learning the correct terms, doing so increases your overall credibility level.
     
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    None.

    Are you going to answer my question?
     
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    Running out of it can lead to violence.
     
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    Well, Cheerio! It looks like the regulators have fled the field!
     
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    Do you mean to say you see no constitutional authorization for drug prohibition?
     
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    They have become deregulated.
     
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    So what % of pot smokers "become more violent"? As I mentioned, is it the pot that makes them more violent or do violent people tend to smoke pot? I have read many scientific articles on the subject and none of them seem to be able to answer that question. I have known many people that have smoked pot almost all their life.....on a very regular basis....and these people are not violent. I have never heard of Willy Nelson, Cheach, Chong, or Snoopdog commit any acts of violence (well, in Snoopdog's case, "unprovoked violence").

    So does masturbation cause people to become violent? I would bet that every single one of the mass shooters masturbated.

    This is the same argument of the anti-gun people vs the pro-gun people. Does the actions of a very few justify the banning of the substance/gun for the majority that use the drug/gun in a responsible manner?
     
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    The NRA did not begin in 1977. It began in 1871 to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis." . Please familiarize yourself with the facts.

    It became an elitist scam to fleece the naïve much later, as is now being exposed.

    I expect that the democratic will shall now prevail over the corrupt political lobby
     
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    Very amusing, but the democratic will shall finally insure that politicians confront the perennial firearm slaughter in the US.
     
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    Read the book. It's fully referenced and footnoted.
     
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    Once again you are demonstrating your total lack of any understanding of the NRA and or how it is run, all you can do is parrott what you read in articles provided by questionable sources, none of which know anymore than you do about the NRA.

    Sources that have orchestrated an organized attack on the NRA in an attempt to discredit it and damage the organization for being so effective politically, which is something the GCA's have a serious hate for.

    As such you are the one who needs to familiarize yourself with the facts and separate media myths from reality.

    The year 1977 was the birthplace of the modern NRA, leadership was letting politicians run roughshod over the Second and membership wanted that stopped, their was a membership revolt at the annual meeting and many of the old guard leadership found themselves voted out of office and replaced with leadership that was willing to take on the anti-gun D.C. politicians and any other politician in the U.S. who tried to diminish the Second.

    More BS from the unknowing GCA's.

    Damm right and we will defeat those corrupt anti-gun politicians every chance we get.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Read the book. It's fully referenced and documented. Marijuana in its current form is a much more dangerous drug which leads to violence in some people.


    Berenson, Alex. Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence (pp. 167-171). Free Press. Kindle Edition.
     

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