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  1. Robert E Allen

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    I agree, that is why it shouldn't be part of the federal budget.
     
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    yes, at 20+ trillion in debt, I think your right
     
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    Yes, i agree and no Republicans have not lived up to the name conservatives in ages


    We haven't had a liberal since Clinton.

    Can we ageee that neither Republican or Democrats are currently living up to their stated ideology.
     
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    Nope, we need to further lower taxes and gut the federal government.
     
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    But I thought Trump was going to do that? Drain the swamp, right?
     
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    we have a debt of 20 trillion, if we do as you propose, we will eventually have so much interest we will only be paying off interest

    how about we raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes on the middle class

    but I do agree we need to reduce spending on wars and other republican pet projects
     
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    And democratic pet projects.
     
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    Trump has not addressed the systemic issues. Trump has increased the swamp - not drained it - Bolton, Wilbur Ross, and so on.
     
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    I wish he would.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you mean like social security and medicare, food stamps, things that help the people that actually need help?

    we need to work on our infrastruture, I hope a dem wins in 2020 and we can address that
     
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    Maybe the entire federal budget should go to paying off our debt for a few years and our government gets a top ramen diet.
     
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    Trump filled the swamp
     
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    Clinton wasn't a liberal either..
     
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    Your point? Do you see me supporting Trump?
     
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    Why not?
     
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    if people like you have their way, the country will go bankrupt - the corps will become more powerful and the people poorer then ever before
     
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    Nevermind, you clearly are mot listening, good bye
     
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    so you do not want to answer now? lol
     
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    Nope i disagree, the federal government should be weak, except for national defense, state governments shoukd be stronger county governments stronger still and local communities stronger still and individual rights stronger than all of the above.
     
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    I already answered your question, you ignored my answer.
     
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    guess missed it then

    am all for cutting waste, I am not for cutting helping the poor, securing the environment from greedy corps, infrastructure, ect

    but nothing will help if we do not stop the excessive foreign outsourcing and foreign imports - Americans need jobs
     
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    Right, but since that'll never happen the other alternative is to increase taxes. Not like I want that but our fine govt (sarcasm) is not going to cut spending. We can't keep adding to the debt.
     
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    The post was not to you ?
     
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    The problem is that programs designed to help the poor don't help.
    Environmental protections don't protect the environment
    And outsourcing you can blame on wages and taxes in America being too high for competition.
     
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    Nope that's not how things work. If we raised taxes and by some miracle revenue went up the government would just spend it and not pay down the debt. Then we'd just have more debt.
     

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