Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    You need to search better. Israel has hired agents in Iran who have assassinated several Iranian scientists, not one. The US, along with Israel (and several European states, collectively calling their program the "Olympic games), has conducted various forms of cyber terrorism against Iran, damaging a wide network of Iranian economic activities even though the supposed target was Iran's nuclear program. The US supports, even if not entirely openly, various groups within Iran's periphery, which conduct terrorist acts against Iran. The US has a host of programs, some clandestine, some open, to recruit people to undermine Iran's economy, government and military. It supports, more or less openly, various dissident groups including one that has committed unforgivable acts of terror inside Iran and which the US itself once branded a 'terrorist organization" (i.e., the MEK aka National Council of Resistance). On top of its maximum pressure campaign and the effort to cut Iran from every form of trade and commerce internationally, the US openly offers hefty bribes to individuals who snitch on various Iranian organizations. The US has branded every Iranian institution of any note a 'designated supporter of terrorism' -- including Iran's banks, its airlines, its oil industry, its military, and much more.

    In the meantime, here are some of the most recent activities (just over the past 4-5 days) the US has publicly announced against Iran. Or, in the case of the last report, details it acknowledged about something it did a few years ago. And I post them because none of them are things that would lead Iran's government to look at anyone with any contact with anyone outside as anything less than suspicious!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...dff106-cf25-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html
    U.S. announces new Iran sanctions, offers $15 million reward for information on shipping network
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/state-department-15m-reward-iran-revolutionary-guards
    Trump administration offering $15M for information disrupting finances of Iran's guard

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/iran-tanker-sanctions-adrian-darya-1.5271649
    U.S. offers up to $15M to captain of Iranian oil tanker it has been trying to seize for weeks
    https://news.yahoo.com/revealed-how...i-stuxnet-cyber-attack-on-iran-160026018.html
    Revealed: How a secret Dutch mole aided the U.S.-Israeli Stuxnet cyberattack on Iran
     
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  2. notme

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    You're just making things up to just question around.

    Read post 46
     
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    Seems you know what I am talking about, and so why do you want me to source it?
     
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    Equals in value.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you believe in equality, but promote inequality? That doesn't make sense.
     
  6. Iranian Monitor

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    Lets go over the cases against Narine Sotoudeh over the years, since reading the report you posted, and then your comments, some may be forgiven for imagining that the case against her is really about her not wanting to wear a scarf!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrin_Sotoudeh
    Why would anyone who wants to win a case in an Iranian court, and not in some outside forum for propaganda purposes, want to hire Nasrine Sotoudeh? Her own relationship with the Iranian judiciary and judges is, to put it mildly, 'strained'! Her expertise isn't defending anyone in court in Iran, but passing information to various groups who oppose the regime, to create propaganda headlines.
    So, even though she was accused of the crime of 'conspiring to harm state security', she was sentenced to 11 years in prison. Did she serve 11 years in prison?
    So, on appeal, her sentence was reduced to 6 years and she was banned for 10 years from practicing law. But is that how much time she spent in prison?
    So at the end, after being convicted for conspiring to harm state security (not because of the hijab, but her associations with groups working against the regime), she ended up actually serving less than 3 years in prison.
    After being released from prison, however, Nasrine Sotoudeh picked up where she had started before going to jail.
    So, no matter what you may think about her, positive or negative, her case was really not about merely not wearing a scarf!
    Now, how was this case reported? And on what basis? What are the facts for this report below and others like it? Answer: A post by her husband on facebook!!!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...r-nasrin-sotoudeh-jailed-for-38-years-in-iran
    Human rights lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh jailed 'for 38 years' in Iran
    This article is more than 5 months old
    Lawyer sentenced to decades in prison and 148 lashes, husband writes on Facebook
     
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    @Iranian Monitor

    "with espionage, dissemination of propaganda and disparaging the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei."

    You know what this parts reads as to a western society? It says she was sent to jail for excersising a human right. She was convicted of having and stating an opinion that the government didn't like. It makes Iran look little better than North Korea.
     
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    Understood. I took the time earlier today to do some research. I discovered that there are some Iranian citizens who practice the Jewish faith and some Christians also. With that being the case, the practice of a particular religion is not forced by the government. Your thoughts?
     
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    Sure. He kills the deal with Iran, removes money from all kinds of defense projects to build a wall. Congress didn't have a vote on that as far as I know.
     
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    Yeah...them people would protect Trump just as well as they did with Obama. lol
     
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    When looking at how many massacres per 1000 people,... the US is nowhere near the EU.

    There wasn't a prob with full auto regulations. And the opinion of the big majority wants that.

    The entire idea to have though gun restrictions is to safe lives,... as how it goes down in the EU, or Canada is you will. Only a small fraction likes the idea to be shot at, or likes to shoot. Kind of it.

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    I did motivate why.
     
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    Congress delegated certain powers to the president but within limited guidelines. They have the power to change those guidelines and/or remove such powers entirely but choose not to.
     
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    The husband of Nasrin Sotoudeh, Reza Khandan, along with Farhad Maysami, were sentenced to six years in prison on
    January 22, 2019, for their efforts in supporting the fight against the mandatory Hijab. Unfortunately, charges made by the
    Iranian government often mean nothing. Terms like 'conspiracy,' 'dissemination of propaganda,' and 'disparaging the supreme
    leader' really don't mean much. They can be used any way the government wants to use them. Remember, this is a government
    that says removing your head scarf is the same as encouraging 'corruption' and prostitution. This is also a government that denies
    the Holocaust and in the past has claimed that the were no homosexuals in Iran. (I have little patience with Holocaust deniers,
    my father served in World War II and saw the camps himself).
     
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    Just be careful not to kill one. There's a fine!
     
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    Blessed to have been born here & not there! My sassy ass wouldn't fare very well over there...
     
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    OK tell me how i can give birth. In Germany pregnant Women can get special money to buy clothes during their pregnany. So tell me how i can apply for this as a man.
     
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    I'll stay here, you move to Iran.
     
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    My thoughts? I wish we could have a discussion of Iran that didn't need to be burdened by so many lies about the country! Even if there is a war to be waged on Iran, as has been for several decades now, I wish that war would be aged on legitimate grounds. And there are plenty of legitimate grounds for the US to have gone to war against Iran, starting with the so-called Hostage Crisis, to various things revolving around Iran's war to rid Lebanon of Israeli and American forces, including the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, to more recently the tug of war between Iran and the US over control of Iraq, which also included various actions by Iran (fully justified from an Iranian perspective) to both help rid Iraq of US forces as well as to retaliate in some cases to American actions against Iran.

    My other thought is that not only Iran is simply too big a country to be stereotypes by any particular picture of it; its government, its practices, and its issues, are ultimately too diverse and in many cases too contradictory, for any such stereotypes to do it justice. When you talk about Iran, you are talking about a nation of 80 million, with a long history and a rather proud one. A country which has plenty of good, but also plenty that is bad. A country that is easy for visitors who are shocked by the differences between the propaganda and the truth, overwhelmed by the real hospitality that Iranians show foreign visitors, and mesmerized by the beauty of its dazzling architecture and made to feel comfortable by its super modern infrastructure and veneer, to fall in love with in ways that covers up its warts. A country that suffers major problems not just by virtue of the direct affect of the war being waged against it, and no always because of the indirect effects of it also, but sometimes by the simple fact that its society and culture also have faults of their own as well.

    Otherwise, on the narrow question you ask, the most accurate answer would be: from a legalistic perspective, Iran's government protects the free practice of religion for its religious minorities who come from "people of the book" (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians). We have churches and synagogues in Iran and even during heights of tension between Iran and Israel, Iranian Jews still feel free to walk on the streets showing their Jewish faith. With Iranian Christians the same and even more so. The Iranian government, however, does what it can (while facing a myriad of other issues on its plate) to prevent Iranian Muslims from converting to another faith -- and clearly tries to interfere with the ability of the Shia Muslim community -- which comprises 90% of the population -- from venturing into pastures of thought, belief, and practice, that aren't the ones Iran's clerics approve. Its efforts are, however, a total and complete failure. In the process, a hypocrisy has taken over a lot of things, where you act a certain way in public and lead another life in private (where your space is respected). And that hypocrisy has taken hold of even Iran's clerics, many who have always been corrupt and hypocritical and some who have moved further in this direction as time has gone by. And even those Iranian clerics who aren't taken over by the corruption and hypocrisy, preside over families which clearly aren't following their dictates even in their own homes! Many of these clerics, and many more of Iran's 'officialdom', have sons and daughters regularly flout on social media the very things their parents supposedly claim is bad for everyone else!
     
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    You are comparing apples to horse excrement.
    I can get outside with my d!ck hanging out and the cops will at first check to see if I have a mental problem and after that would give me a blanket and issue me a small fine and maybe even a ride home. That’s it!
    No one is going to give you prison sentence for being completely naked in the US.
     
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    Lol, some US towns had public nudity protected in their bylaws...

    Jul 16, 2007
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    Vt. town considers banning nudity

    By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer Mon Jul 16, 3:41 AM ET

    BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - Topless women on parade? That was fine. Teenagers loitering in the buff, in a downtown parking lot? No problem. Naked sunbathers at swimming holes? It was just au naturel.

    But a senior citizen in his birthday suit, walking through the center of town on a Friday night, wearing only a fanny pack? That's where Brattleboro draws a fig leaf.

    After years of allowing public nudity, the town famous for its strip-and-let-strip attitude is considering banning it in parts of town, saying naked notoriety has begun drawing people here and is offending locals.

    The town's Select Board plans to introduce an emergency ordinance banning nudity in some parts of town Tuesday.
     
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    While in theory you can be imprisoned in the US for violating public nudity laws, ultimately no one gets a prison term in Iran, no matter what you are told, for simply failing to observe the hijab rules. That is just a lie.

    The best way to understand the real issue here is this: Imagine Al Queda was a superpower with genuine reach to destroy the US -- and was active infiltrating every organ of American government and society. And that it wanted to promote, among other things, everyone wearing their costumes. Imagine further that many in fact had -- for whatever weird reason -- become attracted to those costumes. Imagine that the US government would then take steps (such as the ones in France) to outlaw these costumes. Now imagine some groups had links to Al Queda affiliated organizations and did their bidding and, for those who did, the US government would try to use the host of laws it has (and ones which it would enact) to criminalize such associations. Now, given that in my example, too many people were already attracted to the costumes Al Queda was preaching for everyone else, those efforts would focus mainly on those who had more suspicious and questionable links to Al Queda affiliated organs. The citizens attracted to those costumes regarded mainly as lost causes -- mainly told not to advertise being such lost causes but otherwise left to their own device.

    If you can imagine what I said, you can imagine something closer to the picture of the reality in Iran. Just replace "Al Queda" with the US. But, of course, no two countries are or need to be identical either - nor simply reverse sides of the same coin. But the analogy I gave you covers 90% of what you need to know, while the propaganda you and others like to spew simply distorts the truth beyond any recognition.
     
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    Still BS.
    In my scenario, I can walk outside with my d!ck dangling in plain site and and arrow on my belly with three words written above: “Trump suck this”. My penalties wouldn’t change from what I described.
    Now, question - what would happen to you if you were in same situation in Iran and the wording on your arrow were: “ayatollah suck this”? They’d probably cut your d!ck off in Iran for that.
     
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    You aren't interested in a real discussion or a true understanding of anything. You are interested in waging a war on Iran and, as I have said, the US would have had many 'legitimate' grounds to wage such a war in the course of the events the past 40 years. But it seems you need to convince others of the 'righteousness' of the cause and that has forced you to where we are now.

    In the meantime, in Iran's system of government (which I neither advocate for you nor fully endorse for Iran), you aren't free to insult Iran's Supreme Leader. We have our sacred cows and you have your's. It may not be your president, though, but those who pull the strings in and around your government. In our case, our president can be insulted openly as well, although not in such vulgar terms.
     
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    Qatar charges only $35 for flights from Africa to Mexico? I wonder why? Seems like it's not only Europe that's being invaded, we are too.
     
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