Hamas fires rockets at Israel

It doesn't erase the past of ethnic cleansing 100.000's of civilians to thieve their property

I dont recall the Jew state even remotely going to accept the return all the people who have the right to return, and let them take their real estate back. Nothing remotely close to it. It's all a total joke.

 

I really suggest you go to Israel. The Arabs go to their colleges get the best medical care etc. a helluva lot better than Hamas or any other Arab country provides for them .....and Israeli Jews do not support the ethnic cleansing of Arab-Israeli but everyone supports the extermination of Israelis.

 

It's probably totally free in other Arab countries.

About half of the Israeli Jews openly support to ethnically cleanse Arab Israeli's.... according to a Israeli poll.

Neah. Arabs just want their properties back that the Jews thieved from them.

 

no lease on paper?

no theft took place.

 

The Jews ethnically cleanses 100.000's of civilians for being Arab, and than stole their property.

 

Yes, as part of the final agreement with the Palestinians - as opposed to this "right of return",
Israel has said it would agree to repatriation of Palestinians. Of course, I am sure many Israelis
know that won't happen because the Palestinians won't agree to anything short of the Jews
being removed from their ancient land.
But the 480,000 Jews driven out of seven Arab nations, the subject of a pending law suit, have
no right of return. These Jews and their descendants are refugees too.

Actually, once you are in another country as a citizen of that country, or under the protection of
that country - you are no longer a refugee. Let alone generations of later people all claiming
"refugee" status. That comes from the United Nations definition.

 

Half my family were driven out of England due the Cromwell persecution of Catholics.
And then lost their lands in Alabama, Texas and Georgia during the Civil War.
And some were sent to Australia as convicts.

Thus my family are refugees. We want our English estates back, our American plantations
and any property our convict ancestors had in England.

I think the whole world is a refugee from somewhere. Most of us don't whine about it, we
make new lives and build new nations.

 

Ever read the Jewish POV on this? The following are historic F.A.C.T.S.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-refugees


MYTH
"Arab leaders never encouraged the Palestinians to flee."

FACT

A plethora of evidence exists demonstrating that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes to make
way for the invading Arab armies.

The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: "Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly
lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in
flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by
the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit....It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in
Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

Time's report of the battle for Haifa (May 3, 194 was similar: "The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear,
partly by orders of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city....By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders
hoped to paralyze Haifa."

Benny Morris, the historian who documented instances where Palestinians were expelled, also found that Arab leaders
encouraged their brethren to leave. The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions
of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes:
"Any opposition to this order...is an obstacle to the holy war...and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts"
(Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986).

Morris also said that in early May units of the Arab Legion reportedly ordered the evacuation of all women and children from
the town of Beisan. The Arab Liberation Army was also reported to have ordered the evacuation of another village south of
Haifa. The departure of the women and children, Morris says, "tended to sap the morale of the menfolk who were left behind
to guard the homes and fields, contributing ultimately to the final evacuation of villages. Such two-tier evacuation — women
and children first, the men following weeks later — occurred in Qumiya in the Jezreel Valley, among the Awarna bedouin in
Haifa Bay and in various other places."

Who gave such orders? Leaders like Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, who declared: "We will smash the country with our guns
and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the
fighting has died down."24

The Secretary of the Arab League Office in London, Edward Atiyah, wrote in his book, The Arabs: "This wholesale exodus was
due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances
of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab
States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re?enter and retake possession of their country."25

 

My source saying what % the Jews ethnically cleansed is form a Jewish POV.

 

In the article it quotes British, American, United Nations and Arab sources.
In fact, it mostly relies upon these.

As my example above shows Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said saying
"We will smash the country with our guns
and obliterate every place the Jews seek
shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their
wives and children to safe areas until the
fighting has died down."

 

The right to return, is a right. I'm sorry you got a hard time accepting this.

They so far never agreed to comply with the right to return.

 

I'll give examples I gave earlier.

Egypt lost it's war with Israel in 1973. As part of a peace agreement (full recognition of Israel's
RIGHT TO EXIST, cessation of hostilities etc.) Israel handed back to Egypt the Sinai it seized
during this war.

During that same war Israel took the Golan Heights, with great loss of Israeli life. The Golan
is like a dagger at the heart of northern Israel. Israel offered the Golan back to Syria in exchange
for the same deal as Egypt, ie THE RIGHT OF ISRAEL TO EXIST.
Syria rejected this. Should Israel give back this strategic area, with its fortified heights over the
Galilee? To a nation that that vows to destroy it? No, never. Syria started the war, Syria lost the
war, Syria won't recognized Israel's RIGHT TO EXIST, forever --- so Golan will be Israel's forever.

Same with the Palestinians. There would not be a single refugee if Palestinians agreed to the
original UN partition. There would be no refugee if the Palestinians agreed to accept ISRAEL'S
RIGHT TO EXIST. So, until there is a believable change in heart from the Arabs-on-the-street
there is no deal. And further attacks will lead to further loss of land.

And please, if you are going to talk about "refugees" then talk about Jewish refugees, and those
poor Muslims in Thailand being driven out of their homes. Show you are a fair and honest person.

 

So what. It doesn't change the fact what % of the Arab population was ethnically cleansed by the Jews, and what % left because Arab leaders asked them too. And to leave.... still gives them the right to return. The Jews made it the law that Arabs who fled or left are not allowed to return to their property. That is how the Jews thieved the properties of Arabs. Through apartheid law.

 

It will never be part of Israel. The world has spoken. And you're just deflecting away. All the Israeli civilians are illegally colonizing those lands and so war criminals, living in a war zone.

 

No, those Arabs that left Israel, whether driven out or fled, will have the right of return
in the final political process. The catch is, of course, the Palestinians have to agree
to that final political process - and they never will.
It's sad. The West Bank was once under Jordanian control - the "Palestinians" never
fought against Jordan. Why? Because Jordanians are Arabs, and Israelis are Jews,
and everybody hates Jews.

 

Okay, I get it. Let Syria re-establish fortifications on Mount Hermon, overlooking
the towns and farms of Galilee. Let the Iranians set up bases there, too. And why
not, Hezbollah is owed a favor and they have 150,000 rockets - give them part of
the Golan as well to stage attacks on Israel.

What politician would YOU vote for that would allow that?
What General would YOU promote to allow that?

As long as Syria does not enter into a final peace treaty it won't be getting this
land back. Does it belong to Israel like Trump says? No. Should it be held by
Israel till peace is established - definitely yes. Essentially, Israel has no choice.

 

They already have that right to return. It's also their property. That is the starting point.
The starting point is not... I stole this from you, and you can have it back under these conditions.
That is just insane. Utterly insane.

Maybe I should just take your house with brute force, and give it back under conditions that the natural resources under it are mine to take.

 

Israel can not give, what aint theirs.

Indeed. They must return what they thieved. All of it.
Exactly what kind of morals are them Jews going by?
Stealing is justified? Oh wait... their God supports even genocide
to thieve the land for their ethnic people. Got it.
It's religious conquest.

 

Nothing to do with religion. The state of Israel is essentially a secular state.
Religious Jews hardly recognize Israel, and don't want to join the army.

The Golan is strictly a military issue. Syrians have no right to attack Israel
or enter Palestine - it's not their country.

 

And remember, Arabs stole that land from the people who stole it from the Jews.
So the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine.

 

If the ratio of numbers killed is 100-1 in favor of the Israelis then the mentally disturbed Palestinians should stop trying to kill them. They are the most backward people on this earth, whereby even other Mid East nations will not accept them..There should be no more aid sent to these people unless it's used for the necessities and an inclusive education, which is not just memorizing the Koran.

 

The Golan Heights are and will remain Israeli. Jews used to own - and lost without compensations - a lot of land there before the British gave it to the French after WWI. How did one poster here put it? Oh yes, Jews certainly have the right to return to their properties in the Golan.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Golan-Heights

There's a lot more to say about the double standards, and manipulation of reality to hide uncomfortable truths, practiced by anti-Zionists. This is but one example of the incredible hypocrisy of those who claim the right of return for descendants of Palestinian refugees, refusing the same right to Jews. When arguing against anti-Zionists, one has to pay attention less to what they say, and a lot more to what they don't say.

 

If Jews have to leave Palestine, the land of their nativity, then should
those millions of Arabs living in Western nations leave also?