Articles of impeachment.........so far.

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    In the House Judiciary, Intelligence, and Oversight Committees awaiting results of their investigations.
     
  2. logical1

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    Trump made democrat cry.
     
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    Obama was in violation of all those.
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    House investigators released numerous text messages late Thursday night. The texts, which former special U.S. envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker provided investigators during a nearly 10-hour deposition Thursday, reveal that officials felt Trump had placed conditions on Ukraine receiving the military aid that Trump had withheld days before the July 25 phone call. The military aid is needed by Ukraine to fight off Russian aggression, which may explain why Trump withheld it.

    At first the condition was meeting with Trump in Washington. “heard from White House — assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington,” Volker texted Zelensky’s aide, Andrey Yermak, on July 25, hours before Trump and the Ukrainian president spoke on the phone.

    But Trump never committed to a meeting, and it became clear the White House was issuing an escalating series of demands.

    “Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” U.S. Charges D’affaires in Ukraine William B. “Bill” Taylor texted to Sondland on Sept. 1. Sondland swiftly moved the conversation from text messages to a phone call.

    Gordon D. Sondland is the United States Ambassador to the European Union. He is Trump political appointee, having contributed heavily to the Trump campaign. It was his job to protect the President.

    “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” Taylor later texted Sondland on Sept. 9, complaining that the Trump administration’s decision to withhold congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine had already created a “nightmare scenario.”

    “The president has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind,” Sondland replied. “The president is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that president zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text.”

    On Friday, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson (Wisc.) told the Wall Street Journal that Sondland had told him in late August that the Trump administration’s offer of aid to Ukraine was tied to the country’s willingness to try and dig up dirt on Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.

    This source helped with this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...365c1b-5a01-4e44-872a-299b67949a5e_story.html
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    There is nothing in the Constitution that requires a full House vote to launch an impeachment inquiry.

    Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution states: "The House of Representatives shall [choose] their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment." The ambiguous language offers the chamber discretion as to how it conducts impeachment proceedings.

    I have a source.

    https://www.newsweek.com/why-pelosi-does-not-need-full-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-1463320

    What's yours?
     
  6. carlberky

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    Dude, he did say "entire".
     
  7. squidward

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    Very observant.
    That doesn't mean the vote count is unanimous.
    That means it's a vote of the entire house(every member can vote)
     
  8. Sleep Monster

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    People who believe that either didn't read the Mueller Report or misunderstood Volume II. The crimes of obstruction are very clearly detailed, as is Mueller's explanation (a lame excuse IMO) as to why he wouldn't make those conclusions in his report.
     
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    I guess I'll repeat myself. Can you show us that rule, please? The one you say is "long standing."
     
  10. struth

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    But they House has rules....the reality is the Dems don't want to follow them, because they really don't want a full investigation, they prefer the innuendo and misinformation tactics....Shifty's parody:

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdf
     
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    Tell you what....win the House and then you can make the rule change you want
     
  12. RodB

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    You evidently missed Ukraine admitting that they helped the Democrats in the 2016 election (though Crowdstrike had nothing to do with it.)
     
  13. RodB

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    Yes, they should just keep on digging with the faint hope that there is a pony somewhere in that monstrous pile of horses**t.
     
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    Sounds good. Time for the house to vote.
     
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    Newsweek????

    The House can make cursory investigations into anything they want. But formal impeachment inquiries have to be approved by a vote of the whole House, as implied in the Constitution (like the whole House has to select their speaker) and as clearly stated, under chamber discretion, in the House rules. A committee chair cannot send subpoenas to everybody under the sun hoping to find something -- anything -- and call it a cursory or preliminary investigation.
     
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    The Speaker does not want to rehash the stuff covered by the Mueller affair, and this Speaker tends to get what she wants. The articles will not include administration activities prior to that Mueller report, but they may provide plenty of context for debate and consideration and they certainly will color decision-making in the face of those articles.

    Trump's past pattern of obstructive behavior throughout, is definitely relevant to what needs to happen to stop him now.
     
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    Mueller's "lame excuse" was that there was not sufficient evidence to warrant any indictment. That's the part you guys gloss over getting drunk over his thousands of words that implied such sufficient evidence. To that end Mueller's objectives were achieved.
     
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    You can look up the house rules yourself.
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    No it wasn't. His reason for not indicting Don wasn't a lack of evidence. His report contained plenty of that. He couldn't indict because of the OLC opinion that a sitting prez can't be indicted.
     
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    That's not what the House Rules state/
     
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    There will be more but Nancy will focus in on what seems most likely to succeed whilst ensuring everyone knows the full extent of the corruption

    To be honest I think atrump is more than a little afraid of Nancy
     
  22. struth

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    Duh....that's why the Special Counsels have recommneded charges in the past, then impeachement proceedings began....in this case Mueller didn't have enough to recommend charges...hence why no impeachement proceedings were brought up.

    This is just despeation at this point....no formal impeachment will happen here either. It's just another misinformation campaign by Shifty and company
     
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    I am well aware that the hundreds of insinuations in Mueller's report sucked you right in.
     
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    Wrong. They provided evidence against Manafort in a federally mandated investigation.
     
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