The Latest: House won't vote to formalize impeachment probe

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Do the House rules supecede the constitution? What House rules cite them for me. Why didn't the only 3 impeachments of a President follow those rules?
     
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    They’ll all vote on the articles of impeachment
     
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    The constitution says the house makes its own rules. There’s no requirement for a vote before the articles of impeachment.
     
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    You do realize that trying to ram through an impeachment without any kind of formal vote would be political suicide for the Democrats, right?

    You're arguing technicalities here, but the political reality is that the Dem's "making up their own impeachment rules as they go along" is akin to jumping off a cliff and praying they sprout wings before they hit bottom.
     
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    Yes, THE House....not Adam Shifty.....
     
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    How do you ram through an invesigation? They’ll vote on any articles of impeachment. And no they are following the house rules.
     
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    Yes and THE house rules say it’s fine
     
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    There are no "impeachment hearings" going on right now.
     
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    That was no transcript! Please tell me you aren't that naive.
     
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    LOL!!! Why in the f*** would they start an impeachment before they gather all the evidence?
     
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    Any witness testimony is attended by both Democrats and Republicans. As in any congressional inquiry, the majority party has disgression in who to subpoena. When the GOP was the majority, they excercised their subpoena power too.
     
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    The Mueller report is a part of recorded US History. Bitter clingers are guys like you who choose to pretend it doesn’t exist because you do not like what it says.
     
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    The House is proceeding in an investigation and is Constitutionally sound in its approach. The Schiff Intelligence Committee is in the process of gathering evidence related to Trump and his administration's activity surrounding the relationship of Trump and the Ukrainian government. The meetings are held in closed doors to deny witnesses coordinating their testimony. Therefore the Committee maintains strict control over who may attend such sessions. The Committee will continue to call witnesses until it is done calling relevant witnesses.s Paradoxically, the more Trump and his partners obstruct, the longer the process takes.

    Republicans are increasingly concerned over what appears to be a growing body of evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Therefore they want to hurry the House to call for a vote. The Speaker, Nancy Pelosi will allow the evidentiary process to continue. The evidentiary process is clearly in Democrat's favor because as more rocks are turned over, additional evidence of impeachable offenses are uncovered. From information released by the Schiff Committee, it appears multiple State Department officials have added to the weight to the whistleblower's account of Trump's criminal activity vis-a-vis the Ukraine.

    Politically, Nancy is a powerful and effective Speaker with complete control over the Democratic House caucus. She is the guiding force of the investigative process. If one wants to know where this is headed, watch Pelosi. It appears the reason for the current course of Schiff and his Committee is to increase public awareness of the nature of the crime and purpose of the investigation. The strategy appears to be working as public approval for continuing the investigations is now above 50%. Nancy sees no reason to hurry the process because public opinion and support is the "name of the game" in impeachment.
     
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    That is how our government DOES work. The majority has control over subpoena power. Whenever the GOP was in control they used that power.
     
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    They want the impeachment vote BEFORE the evidence is collected, so it would give the "nay" voters cover. It's a purely political stunt by the WH and the RW media. Clearly, our resident Trump fans are falling for it.
     
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    You can write as big as you want but the majority party will do it however they want. If they decide to mpeach, they will have the vote.
     
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    Actually no, the House rules require a vote, then it's sent to the Judicial Committee to conduct hearings....members of that Committee have been shut out of Shifty's Star Chamber, then that Comm votes on the Articles, which are then sent back to the full House.

    THE House has not taken one vote on this issue
     
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    You don't. You ram through impeachment proceedings.

    There are no impeachment proceedings taking place right now.

    Can you bring yourself to acknowledge this simple reality?
     
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    The Constitution does not require a vote before an Impeachment Inquiry starts. Move on.
     
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    Still avoiding the precedent?

    Which impeachments of a President? A co-equal?



    Which rules? As Rep. Biggs noted this morning, there are no rules and when there are no rules then precedent takes over. Precedent is the HOUSE decides to start an impeachment.

    ROFLMAO yea Pelosi and Schiff are plenty unbiased..............the absurdity of your statement is amazing. And there is nothing impeachable in the transcript.

    Why should they participate in a process they are being cut out of, have no power in, cannot call witnesses, cannot even discuss testimony given while the Democrats are leaking selective bits and pieces.

    How about vote for impeachment and then when it goes to court the court will say this is an impeachment and we will not get involved. The President and his legal counsel has said, start an impeachment, let's sit down and work out the process and make it fair and transparent FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO JUDGE.
     
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    The House only has to vote on the articles of impeachment. There is zero requirement for a vote on an impeachment inquiry.
     
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    Just like the Mueller report, they knew over a year before it was released there was nothing to the collusion delusion. It did influence the mid terms for the Dems, which was the goal.
     
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    Which is completely the opposite of how the GOP ran the Clinton impeachment, this is a rigged Kangaroo Court.
     
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    No they don’t. Why are you pretending they do?
     
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    You still don't get it, this is about effecting and influencing the election not impeaching and removing Trump. They are trying to weaponize the impeachment process to defeat Trump not remove Trump.

    Is that REALLY how you want to Congress to act? PRECEDENT................that is what they are trying to change. Do you agree with the direction taking impeachment from a bipartisan act to a new tool to win an election?
     

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