Nikki Haley on Trump, impeachment, and siding...

Bullcrap. These are people HIRED BY Trump. They worked for him and found out something that bothered them so much they turned against him.
Problem is that Trump doesn't understand he isn't running a private company that has few rules and no Constitution. Trump FanBoys seem to think that the President is an Emperor - and think there should be no constraints on the Executive Branch.

You're so emotionally invested in Trump that you think a coup is the only thing that would motivate people to stand against Trump. You think that Trump, a guy who lied to all his wives, paid of porn stars to keep quiet about his affairs, uses his charity for nefarious purposes, hires a "fixer" who is now in jail, and partners with people presently under investigation for money laundering - you think THAT Trump is incapable of doing anything that would cause others in the White House to question his motives? Holy crap.

 

If the President's actions are unconstitutional, then yes, it would be their duty under the oath to the Constitution to try and stop such actions until such a President can be removed from office through impeachment. Since Congress is the only body that can do that - reporting it to Congress makes sense. The whistleblower did that by reporting to the Inspector General who then notified Congress.

And one more thing. If Trump is such a poor administrator that he can't get his staff to understand what he is trying to accomplish and get them onboard, then perhaps the problem isn't with the staff. If it was just an occasional occurrence, that is one thing - but we've seen CONSTANT infighting, back-stabbing, and turnover in the people Trump has hired. This is not the sign of good leader.

 

Just remember, a majority of Americans did not support the impeachment of Nixon till the last few weeks of the investigation.

 

More wishy bone stuff.

 

Nixon committed a felony inside the United States.

but you are right we need to wait until the investigation is over before we make a decision.

 

No. Nixon was about to be impeached for obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress.
Trump would be up for those same charges if the impeachment goes to floor for a vote.

 

Sorry, but I can't follow such convoluted logic.

According to Haley, Kelly and Tillerson held policy differences with Trump and tried to recruit her into a secret cabal working to thwart the policies of a constitutionally elected president.

She made no reference to any specific policy difference, nor did she suggest that they opposed the policies on constitutional grounds.

Have Tillerson or Kelly yet reported these unconstitutional policies to Congress? I should think that they would have had plenty of time to do so, by now.

 

Your posts are usually well reasoned, supported by evidence, and wel stated. That said I think on this board it's mostly a waste of time. I keep waiting for anything those on the other side won't believe if their talking points providers feed it to them, I begin to think he really could randomly start shooting folks on "President Barack Obama Avenue", (where Trump tower soon will be once the renaming happens ), and they'd really be fine with it. These people will ride the cult all the way to ruin, all the while erroneously thinking thay are patriots.

I guess what I see is that for most of flyover country, Trump love is all emotionally based, facts can't intrude on that, they just "feel" Trump is right, and no amount of evidence can have any effect on their emotional commitment to this idiot.

We'll keep posting, keep fighting our fight for law and against corruption, but we are largely wasting our time with most of these folks. They've made that emotional commitment, and just like with Dubya, the ONLY way they let go, is after Trump is gone, then you will see them all claiming they never liked him that much, he was just better than anyone else. The denial of the cult they worshiiped will be epic and soon, the change will be astonishngly rapid, once he's out of office.

The sad thing (and I know I will hear much crying and gnashing of teeth on this, yet it's true all the same) is mostly it's just a "feel good" thing.v They won't even admit it to themselves, but the HUMILITION of a black president, not only once, but winning a resounding re-election, these people's psyce's needed "big orange daddy" to soothe their fragile subconsciously racist egos. Obama was no "extreme leftist". He was a centrist, maybe somehwat conservative Wall Street Dem, but he was the ULTIMTE blow to fragile white male egos all across merica. They are gonna be sore about that, many of them, till the day they die.

 

yeah and none of those would have been an issue if he had not commited the burglary that lead to watergate..

and you know Nixon did way worse things than watergate.

How about conspiring with the widow of Claire Lee Chennault to torpedo the Vietnam peace talks until after the election.

every president has done plenty to get them impeached.

 

We've seen how well reporting unconstitutional actions has gone over with this whistleblower - and now you believe Tillerson, who was never involved in government prior to being named Sec. of State, was part of "deep state" that opposes Trump.

 

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

I don't see anything in there that says "I'm with stupid."

 

ok

 

Nearly everyone has publicly stated, what Trump did was wrong, and used his office for politcal gain by recruiting foreign influence. The method of quid pro quo is incidental. Your dismissal of people who are the farthest of being liberal highlights desparate defense.

 

Why on earth would you try to tell me what I believe?

 

Anyone actively plotting a coup to nullify an election and overthrow an elected government of the US is engaging in acts of treason. Much of the now seemingly rabid alt-left seems to be drifting toward some shade of neo-fascism. It's not the first time.

"Sorel raised the question of the distinctions between right and left. Lehman questioned whether - at least on the French scene, which was in many ways exemplary - an intellectual at any given moment might not have associated with an extreme left-wing or an extreme right-wing movement, had the circumstances been satisfactory." S. J. Woolf, The Nature of Fascism, p. 248.

"But there were great similarities between a certain type of left wing intellectual and fascist intellectuals..." "Nature of Fascism," S. J. Woolf Editor, "The Nature of Fascism,"p. 249.

 

I'm not. Think of this, she knew some of her fellow swamp rats were trying to harm the President and undermine his policies yet THIS SORRY BITCH didn't tell the President which makes her a willing accomplice.

Now she's just out there running her mouth trying to sell a book.

Once you pull back the curtain, she's all mouth, all hype, and a sorry self-serving swamp rat bitch.

 

I dont respond to wild rants, but dont let me stop you

 

I had to laugh at this post, what qualifications did obama have ? senator for 3 yrs, less 1 for campaigning for potus and only showed up a handful of times.

Nikki Haley was Governor of NC for 2 terms and served in the legislature for 3 terms and was ambassador to the UN.

Shes more than qualifed based on historical qualifications of those running for Potus.

How about buttgiggy and Castro, lol most all the rest of your lineup

 

Hey, if you can't accept the basic truth that Trump hired these people, so the buck stops with him, then please do plug your ears.

 

No they've stated they thought or perceived what was going on and not one damn person has testified that Trump demanded a quid pro quo. The only one that talked to Trump said he said No quid pro quo. This is a political smear at this point and you think the more times you say it that people will accept it was done. Wait til these witness get crossed on TV on Wednesday, every one will be asked the same question. Did you hear Trump say he wanted a quid pro quo? Do you know anyone that heard he says he wanted a quid pro quo? Each will say no and each will get destroyed

 

My lineup? I'm not a Democrat.

Obama was not only a Senator for 3 years, but was a member of the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, about 7 years. If you feel that is underqualified for POTUS, and frankly I would agree, then surely you're not going to tell me that a few years of state government and less than a year of being UN embassador qualifies Nikki Haley for the job.

I give Nikki points for being a sane, rational and intelligent human being without obvious personality disorders, and for her accomplishments in state government, and being embassador to the UN for less than a year, but it's not much to hang your hat on if you're running for POTUS. Still plenty more than Dirty Don the Con ever had, but nevertheless it's not a lot.

 

Turns out that Tillerson was a lousy hire and so was John Kelley who we were sold a bill of goods that they were competent.

 

Easy peasy when you know the facts. Nobody saw him say that to the president of Ukraine. What did we actually see? We saw Video proof that Biden put Ukraines nuts in a vice and threatened them. Son of a Britches, they did as he ordered. Easy innit?

 

Competence is an illusion.

 

Haley served as the ambassador to the UN for 2 years. But about Obama, Mr. Stumblebum served in his state government as a person who voted. He was not in a policy making part of the line up. Comparing a woman who had two successful stints as a Governor does qualify her to be president. She did resign early to assume the job at the UN but she was moving forward. Democrats or their walking kin seem unable to focus on actual job skills. She definitely is more qualified than any of the Democrat front runners. The one sane Democrat running won't go too much further, to wit: Tulsi Gabbard.

Don had more qualifications for his job than Obama for any of his.