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Cruz To Horowitz: Did An FBI Attorney Defraud The FISA Court? Horowitz: Yup

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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    If you listen to the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, you would think that the IG report was a complete dud.

    Just the opposite.

    It was a blistering affirmation of the complete and total corruption within the FBI.

    CRUZ: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

    HOROWITZ: “That is correct. That is what occurred.”

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morr...fbi-attorney-defraud-fisa-court-horowitz-yup/
     
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    Don Lemon and "Fredo" (I forget his real name) are just literally sitting on TV and just parroting lies about the IG Report and what happened today in the testimony. They are doing a huge disservice to the country and to the people.

    I suspect most are getting tired of it and know better as their ratings are dropping like a stone.

    Watch this and see how far the media has fallen:

    https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1204880963676848129
     
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    Given how fast and hard the MSM is doing damage control, tells me that there is something to this.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Wow! That's a powerful video!
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is way beyond the work of a lone bad actor.

    The rot within the FBI and DOJ is deep and pervasive.

    I thought that Wray might be slowly cleaning it up, but the report is much worse than I even imagined. This was a criminal conspiracy that involved well over two dozen high ranking players..
     
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    It is/was an attempted coup.
     
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    A Few Low-Level members of the FBI made mistakes?

    Everybody has KNOWN that ever since the report was released.
     
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    Yep, now we know there was complete corruption in the Russia investigation. This impeachment push is a complete fraud.
     
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    Exactly . People need to be held accountable, or there is no rule of law .
     
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    The problem now from what I read is some of the crimes uncovered will soon be past the statutes of limitation and I think Barr said the investigation will be going on for months.
     
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    “Is it spying?” Senator Graham asks

    “It’s illegal surveillance” IG Horowitz responds
     
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    I like how the Democrats defend lawless criminal organizations like the FBI. It's fitting.

    The FBI needs to be scrapped and replaced with a agency that does a lot of the same stuff, but whose agents are made to follow rules and protocols and are held to the highest of standards. No more rogue agents on power trips thinking they are king makers.
     
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    This could be how they are planning to give everyone involved a total pass.
     
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    Democrats are globalist who believe they are above the laws of nation states. Joe Biden says Democrats respect no borders.
     
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    If we don't take the russia/ukraine hoax seriously then you can't expect liberals to give a crap about Fisa abuse. In their minds it's like "who cares! Just get rid of him!"
     
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    This is one reason why I voted for Cruz to become president during the primaries. The man has an edge and is extremely competent and bold. Trump did what I wanted a new GOP president to do but I would have been happy with President Cruz. In any event, his questioning of Horowitz is why this impeachment farce is going to get blown out of the water in the Senate since in there resides many GOPers with similar trial backgrounds. The obviously bought and paid for blatantly partisan leftist witnesses of the Dem Party's leadership? They are going to be . . . shredded; and perhaps their backers as well.

    That aside, Horowitz with that one honest answer just green-lighted the indictment of several upper level former FBI agents. Are our leftist posters hearing us . . . now?
     
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    The Democrats here are trying to say it was all just honest mistakes made by low level staffers. The FBI is full of incompetent people you know...
     
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    Yes, except that Horowitz is doing what our leftists WANTED Mueller to do; which is boldly green light additional investigations with the aim of prosecuting villains. There is no waffling or backtracking on his part, simply answers that are grounded in legal definitions of crimes under the law. Simply by responding with answers that Horowitz KNOWS he has the evidence and proof to substantiate, he is ripping apart the Leftist narrative of -- 'only a few bad apples who operated in good faith but who were incompetent.'
     
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    And the rush to impeachment is now explained. Have to get that done before the evidence from Horowitz and his report start taking out the primary actors in how the impeachment was justified in the first place.
     
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    Must be why the IG suggests a review top to bottom. As the IG stated the FBI managers and leaders did not follow procedures.
     
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    :roflol:

    That is an absurd characterization of Horowitz's statement (taken out of context) to push a misguided RW narrative.

    That was (essentially) a Horowitz answer to a hypothetical.

    It has been taken (completely) out-of-context by the Alex Jones crowd.

    Here is the Entire Exchange:

    Here’s the interaction between Graham and Horowitz:

    Graham: Let’s play this out. They never told Trump about the concerns, is it fair to say there came a point to where surveilling Carter Page became illegal?

    Horowitz: I will let the court decide that. The court has this report and will make that decision.

    ***At THIS Point (which follows) Horowitz was answering a Hypothetical:

    Graham: Let’s put it this way, if you don’t have a legal foundation to surveil somebody and you keep doing it, is that bad?

    Horowitz: Absolutely.

    Graham: Is that spying?

    Horowitz: ‘It’s illegal surveillance, it’s not court authorized surveillance.
    __________

    In other words the RW is completely mischaracterizing the exchange.

    The RW is using an answer to a hypothetical question and then claiming that it was Horowitz's assertion.

    Why does the RW have to constantly peddle FAKE Narratives?
     
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    Um... only you could take that interaction and come out with this. The LW narrative is, "holy cr&p they're going to get us".. quick, get the impeachment done before they start indicting our primary witnesses...
     
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    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    A few low level members of the FBI made some mistakes that infringed on civilian liberties, it's cool!

    Donald J. Trump "Hey, can you do me a favor?" The left goes bat chit crazy with "IMPEACH the M*****f*****!"
     
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    That's nothing, compare how the corrupt MSM covered the Clinton impeachment and Trump's.
     
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    Comey, Strozek, and Brennan were low level?
     
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