Looming Disaster - Trump Inching The USA Closer to Another War

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    It's being reported that Trump ordered the assassination of a top Iranian official who was in Iraq. This is an act of war against Iran and against Iraq as well.

    The only question now is how will things evolve from here.

    Iran has vowed retaliation, which is hardly unexpected. Any nation would do the same if one of their top officials was killed by another nation.

    This portends a series of escalations that may result in a wider war between the US and Iran. Such a scenario would be an utter disaster for America and for the world. It would also represent a massive violation of Trump's promise to keep the USA out of another unwinnable Middle Eastern quagmire.

    Not that Trump's supporters care about him keeping his promises.

    At any rate, Trump's reckless behavior has him walking the razor's edge. Even the slightest deviation in either direction could precipitate a catastrophe in the Middle East and even the wider world. Basically, Trump is staring into oblivion. Will he be the president responsible for kicking off WWIII?
     
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    BringDownMugabe Well-Known Member

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    What would America's reaction be if Iran assassinated the US Army general while they were traveling abroad in Canada? I'll never understand why US foreign policy doesn't factor blow-back into any of their idiotic decisions.
     
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    Anything to distract from problems at home I guess.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Care to explain the problems at home or you referring to the 187 new judges, Trumps attempt to lower drug prices, or the wall not going up fast enough?
     
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    the left: Iran attacked the US embassy in Iraq. HAHAHA this is Trump's Benghazi. This weak POTUS makes us the laughing stock of the world.

    Trump: Hold my alcohol free beer.

    the left: OMG OMG WHY AREN'T WE SENDING PALLETS OF CASH TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL US THIS IS TURRIBLE.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, or like if Iran chanted "death to America", was responsible for killing thousands of Americans, had a history of bombing our barracks and attacking our embassies, shooting at oil tankers, downing drones, spreading terrorism home and abroad.

    Leftist solution: Give them money.
     
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    I was referring to that impeachment thing that’s going on...
     
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    There is zero proof that Iran attacked anything, let alone the US embassy in Iraq. So anyone who claims as much, whether left or right, is simply parroting government propaganda.

    Democrats are useless. Their "resistance" has been the most fake, most ineffectual resistance in political history. And now here we are, at the precipice of another disastrous war in the Middle East.
     
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    hopefully someone that is smarter than trump ordered the killing and convinced trump to sign off on it

    Trump has NO CLUE about foreign policy ...his ignorance is apparent

    just as Obuma had to cope with bushes actions and war,

    the next president will have to cope with trumps actions and possible war

    in this modern age there will never be another war similar to wwl or wwll

    I expect the Iranians to retaliate but not with traditional weapons

    I expect cyber war, terrorism , possible chemical warfare

    and attacks against our embassies because they are such an easy target

    the Iranians are not stupid

    the know very well that they have no chance in a traditional war against the USA

    the worst thing will be that our allies will become targets ..

    some countries are obvious targets

    I am not even sure the country they will attack need to be our allies ..just not enemies and be easy targets

    every US embassy in the world is now a target of Iran

    they will now demand attention more than before and do whtever it takes toget that attention

    with that said I hope I am wrong

    as my first sentenced stated

    hopefully someone much more intelligent than trump oredered this murder
     
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    Lol you act as if it's completely rational and normal for there to be American troops and drones stationed in the region to begin with. One can only imagine how the warmongering American neocons would view Iranian troops stationed in Mexico.

    Lol not only is this talking point extremely outdated, but it's already been debunked and explained time and time again. It was Iran's money to begin with.
     
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    And of course the US is totally blameless. Never did nothing to nobody. Was just minding its own business when all of a sudden those evil Iranians decided, for no reason at all, to bully the US.
     
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    How is that "thing" going on?
    We have been told the US was going to war with a handful of countries since the inauguration. I think we are doing just fine thank you very much.
     
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    So, there shouldn't have been a response to Iran's client, Hezbollah, murdering a US civilian in Iraq after the good General announced his plan to attack US Diplomatic outposts? Looking the other way would have taught the mullah's what?
     
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    I’m sorry, your post has confused me.
    Are you saying that Trump isn’t in the middle of an impeachment? One where more and more information keeps coming out detailing his misdeeds? Are you saying that isn’t a thing that’s happening right now?
     
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    The topic here is war and the twentieth time the US was going to war with another nation.
    As for the impeachment lite, I anxiously await Mrs Pelosi delivering the matter to the Senate where they are sure to replace President Trump with President Pence.
    or not.
     
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    How would you know there's "zero proof that Iran attacked anything"?
     
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    The US is in a war with Iran now. That's what happens when one government attacks another government. The only question is how big will the war become, which is another way of saying how disastrous will it be.
     
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    For anyone interested:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasem_Soleimani

    "In March 2007, Soleimani was included on a list of Iranian individuals targeted with sanctions in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747.[89] On 18 May 2011, he was sanctioned again by the United States along with Syrian president Bashar Assad and other senior Syrian officials due to his alleged involvement in providing material support to the Syrian government.[90]

    On 24 June 2011, the Official Journal of the European Union said the three Iranian Revolutionary Guard members now subject to sanctions had been "providing equipment and support to help the Syrian government suppress protests in Syria".[91] The Iranians added to the EU sanctions list were two Revolutionary Guard commanders, Soleimani, Mohammad Ali Jafari, and the Guard's deputy commander for intelligence, Hossein Taeb.[92] Soleimani was also sanctioned by the Swiss government in September 2011 due to the same grounds cited by the European Union.[93]

    He was listed by the United States as a known terrorist, which forbade U.S. citizens from doing business with him.[34][94] The list, published in the EU's Official Journal on 24 June 2011, also included a Syrian property firm, an investment fund and two other enterprises accused of funding the Syrian government. The list also included Mohammad Ali Jafari and Hossein Taeb.[95]

    On 13 November 2018, the United States sanctioned an Iraqi military leader named Shibl Muhsin ‘Ubayd Al-Zaydi and others who allegedly were acting on Qasem Soleimani's behalf in financing military actions in Syria or otherwise providing support for terrorism in the region.[96]"

    "CIA chief Mike Pompeo said that he sent Soleimani and other Iranian leaders a letter holding them responsible for any attacks on US interests by forces under their control. According to Mohammad Mohammadi Golpayegani, a senior aide for Iran's supreme leader, Soleimani ignored the letter when it was handed over to him during the Abu Kamal offensive against ISIL, saying "I will not take your letter nor read it and I have nothing to say to these people."[77][78]"


    U.S. Intelligence classified Soleimani as a terrorist aiding terrorists. That is why he was taken out. Feel free to agree or not with that assessment, but it is necessary context.

    IMO, there will be no actual "war" resulting from the drone strike.
     
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    The topic remains war, and the potential that the president is seeking one to distract from domestic issues.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Because no proof has been produced. It's just allegations made by a bunch of liars in the government. You know, like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or chemical weapons in Syria. It's always the same kind of lies. And it's always the same people who fall for the lies. Some people never learn.
     
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    "US intelligence" also spread rumors about how Trump was a dupe of Russia or even a Russian asset.

    "US intelligence" told everyone that Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction" and that they posed a threat to the world.

    "US intelligence" accused the Syrian government of a chemical attack that never actually happened.

    But I'm sure they were right this time.
     
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    Oh no I'm all for pulling American's out from between the people who have been killing each other since 600 AD.

    Then if they decide to storm a US embassy we kill as many of them as we need to in order to make them crawl back under their rocks.

    Thoughts and prayers during your difficult time with this.

    Why was the money frozen in the first place?
     
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    So Suleimani was framed for the last 16 years since he was added to the designated terrorist list.
     
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    Iran is the number 1 nation sponsor of terrorism! They shot down a U.S drone, attacked ships in international waters and attacked Saudi Arabia oil facilities. All of this is an act of war under international law! What would you have us do about an Iranian general who was responsible for killing thousands of people in the Middle East including Americans and was plotting attacks against American diplomats and troops? Just sit back allow it to happen? personally, I'm glad he has been sent to hell where he can join Bagdahdi, Bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists!
     
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    I don't know whether they were/are right or not, on this drone strike or the above, nor do you. Arguendo, "they were wrong those times" is not any kind of argument against this action. I don't and never have liked our ME policy, but recognize that it is neither party nor Administration specific.

    What I do know is that the MSM and other interests are always virulently against any GOP military action while dismissive or even supportive of Democrat military action.

    "Trump had a chance to kill a known Iranian terrorist general and did not! He's in bed with Iran!"

    Don't bother denying that any action of Trump's or any other GOP would be spun negatively regardless of what it is.

    I never stated any pro or anti position in my prior post, this is because I am -ignorant- of intelligence data and facts.
     

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