American soldiers should disobey and refuse to fight in case of battles

Ding ding, the worse post of the month. You think soldiers should surrender to fighters who have been known to kill or torture their captives. Then if they are returned face trial for cowardice and failure to obey orders and go to Leavenworth for 10 years. And why lay this at the feet of the dems or liberals. Both political parties are in the muck on this equally. With the exception of Rand Paul and Tulsi.

Without a doubt, you have never wore our uniform.

 

I never said they had to surrender.

 

This is it the top running for the silliest OP in the history of this forum. It requires no explanations on anyone's part to confirm my position.

 

If they are attacked and they don't fight back- what happens? you get captured. You don't raise your hands and surrender you get shot.

 

BTW, they can still defend themselves. I just red there were 60 000 homeless veterans, how many of them will end to die in the streets ? How they can accept to being used then throw away like that ?
That's the sad fate they get. They're "respected" the time they're needed, then they're treated as third rank citizens. Why should they risk their own lives for a society that treat them with so much cruelty ?

 

It is a travesty how we treat Vets. we spend 4 bill a month in afganistan but can't get an extra bill for the vets for VA and homeless. That billion they think is much better off in the hands of Besos and his ilk.

 

That's probably the biggest reason I say they should rebel. They serve their country, but they're used by corrupted politicians that send them in useless war like Iraq which created more harm than good, and then are treated worse than animals. Their lives are precious, too precious to be send in useless wars. People who engage themselves are often devoted people, precious people. I don't care of the insults I got in that thread for saying that their lives shouldn't be put in danger without good reasons.

 

Spoken as a true Putin devotee.

 

Those were conscripted, not volunteer...

 

We have an all volunteer military. Refusing to fight cannot be any easier.

 

That’s strange, that’s what prison is full of, cowards—too scared to live their own lives, they force others to do it for them by stealing, cheating, lying, beating, raping, and murdering. It is not the life of a hero, is it?

 

You do understand that Americans VOLUNTARILY join the military, dontcha?

 

I would prefer to have an actual trained and experience battle field commander leading the charge than say an President Elizabeth Warren especially if I were part of that charge, wouldn't you?

 

Why should Americans listen to or care about a Frenchman when it comes to war? Is that why your country always loses them?

 

Da, Vodka, Rachmaninov.

No, it's mostly because of extreme incompetence of our leader + we fought most of our war not against some native american but german.

I just don't get it, there is 60 000 thousand homeless veteran. Thousands of veterans die of suicide, or die in the streets. The army tend to be more filled of conservative people. I'm not a conservative, neither a liberal, but I know that I know that I would neither sacrifice my life for Macron or some blue haired parisian.

I just don't get it. American army veterans are treated worse than everything, all of that, for what ? Protecting some blue haired californian that hate them ? To end to die during a winter because you ended homeless ? Or committing suicide because of PTSD ?

WW2 was a victory, but what was the usefullness of Iraq, Vietnam or Afghanistan ? Vietnam is communist, Iraq is more dangerous than during S.Hussein and the talibans are alive and well. What was the usefullness of those wars ? Why would you send the most devoted people of your country to death when the other are living peacefully ?

 

Veterans get shorted so the money can go to illegal aliens and Americans who never did nothing.

 

That's my point, why should they suffer to be treated like that ?

 

I'm suspicious regarding your claim of being French. Surely a true Frenchman would know that were it not for our French alliance during the Revolution, there would probably have never been a United States. And, on the other hand, you must also remember the Sickes-Picot 1916 agreement that allowed the French and British to set the ME borders following the end of WW I and the Ottoman Empire. Not to mention, of course, French Indo-China and the first Vietnamese War and the Battle of Dienbeinphu.

 

This seems bizarre. Why are you singling out American soldiers to refuse to fight? Should French soldiers refuse to fight as well?

 

We fought and won against the most powerful military the world had ever seen. We fought and beat the Germans twice when you could not and in fact we beat you and rather quickly.

"According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, there were 40,056 homeless veterans living in the U.S. in a single night in January 2017, which was a little more than nine percent of all homeless adults. The study shows that three out of five homeless military veterans were housed in emergency shelters or transitional housing facilities, while two out of five were living in places "not suitable for human habitation.""
And that in spite of the fact there are ample resources available to them to turn around their situations.

When you are subject to a government program to support you or provide for you you aren't going to get the best of anything but then I don't know that veterans are treated worse elsewhere.

ROFL we were trying to clean up the mess YOU created in Vietnam when you turned tail and ran. Saddam is no longer the leader of Iraq free to his own devices and once again threatening his won country, the region, and the world and we were attacked by forces operating freely within Afghanistan and I really could care less what you think about us going after and killing those who attacked us. My country tends to do that and has pulled yours out of the ringer at a huge cost in blood and treasure.

You would prefer to be under Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? How about next time you're on your own since you since incapable of showing appreciation for such sacrifice on your behalf.

 

Risking their lives under orders of the civilian authority is their chosen profession, if they get wounded or die its to be expected if they are sent into harms way.

 

Yes for similar reasons. I don't see why they should die for Macron, to protect some leftists that scorn them or to defend the interest of some big french company in Africa (especially since they pay almost no taxes for France).

I fully appreciate the sacrifice of soldiers. Their life is extremly precious. You're mistaking everything. It's not the soldiers I don't respect, it's the politician.

It's because I appreciate the value of their life, and the tragedy that mean any of their death that I'm revolted that they could be send into an useless death or just send and used. In 2012 only, 7500 veteran commited suicide. 7500 precious life of devoted people disappeared. That's more than the single war in Iraq. They were used and then left alone with their trauma, their pain. Do you really think that it's normal ? Is is that way the american state show "appreciation" you're talking about to their veteran.

Apparently for some people, "respecting" the soldiers mean having no remorse to send them to useless death. That's a very weird way of "respecting" people that I will never understand. Maybe some people want to look "brave" or "tough" with that kind of behavour, but you can't be brave with the life of other people.

Do you really think it was worse it to sacrificed 5000 valiant young people in Iraq ?

I have appreciation for their lives, but if you ask me to have any appreciation for the politician which send them to their death, i can't.

 

Of course... and I agree with you. but if these desk jockey 'leaders' are willing to send people to fight and die, maybe they might think twice if their heads and their family's heads where on the line too

 

Well I reject the premise of your argument that no remorse is shown. Maybe in your country.

 

I believe they think more than once before making such decisions.