'The worst briefing I've had': Senate Iran briefing gets heated

Pompeo has taken a huge gamble regarding his future in politics. I am not sure he has any political future after Trump...whenever that may be.

 

Mike Lee is a massive H1B advocate, anti American worker and documented taker of google cash. He stopped being a conservative a long time ago.

Paul I can respect but not that traitor to conservatives Lee.

 

Be that as it may, I believe him right on this issue.

 

Since I didn't hear the briefing I can't agree he is correct.

The biggest hypocrite point with Lee is he demands no debate on his pro H1B visa bill that will get Americans fired from their jobs in place of H1B candidates yet he chided what he claimed were others saying they didn't want debate on this briefing.

When you sell out the American worker for google money your credibility is blown.

 

Mike Lee clarified his statement. "Worst" briefing "ever" was the Benghazi Consulate Attack briefing where they were told a propaganda video was to blame. "Worst" military briefing was the Iran briefing. He's separating "consulate briefings" and "military briefings".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ssified-briefing-was-obama-benghazi-briefing/

 

The google money and selling out the American worker is rearing its ugly head with this RINO.

 

H-1B specialty occupations may include fields such as science, engineering and information technology, and fields such as teaching and accounting.

I have no issues with the H1B temporary workers. We do not have enough American kids going into science and technology or skilled teachers to teach those skills. When Democrats say "free college", there will be an even bigger rush for degrees in Greek Mythology and Women's Studies....degrees which are worthless. Our public school system is failing to keep our kids competitive in the world.

American corporations have long bemoaned a lack of education and talent to fill more advanced positions. Importing that talent from foreign countries is the only thing keeping us on the cutting edge of technology and innovation.

 

I don't trust politicians at all - not any of them.[/QUOTE]

~ This is likely one big reason Trump is president .

 

You are making my point.

Clearly you are not in IT to say something that ununiformed. We have plenty of technical workers. What we don't have is businesses wanting to pay their wages.

I've been in IT for over 20 years with 3 fortune 500 companies, 2 in charge of hiring H1B and Offshore employees. 90% and that's being generous are uninformed college kids who know nothing about the business.

I once had an HCL exec who got drunk at a restaurant tell me that they pay the college professors in India to give the answers to the students so they can graduate more workers as fast as possible to inflict upon American companies.

Boeing offshored 95% of their IT and development labor including the coding for the airline software that caused 2 fatal crashes.

The reasoning is simple. H1Bs make 25-30k a year replacing American workers making 100k+ with 15-20 years experience. Do you really believe that there is some magical fantasy land in India where kids fresh out of college arrive educated in the very fields they are taking jobs from Americans?


Anyone who thinks H1Bs are educated clearly has never worked with them or in IT to make such an asinine claim.

This fantasy land claim that these are educated workers is a bald faced lie.

 

Here is a study proving H1Bs are not the educated workers big business would claim they are


In pressuring Congress to expand the H-1B work visa and employment-based green card programs, industry lobbyists have recently adopted a new tack. Seeing that their past cries of a tech labor shortage are contradicted by stagnant or declining wages, their new buzzword is innovation. Building on their perennial assertion that the foreign workers are “the best and the brightest,” they now say that continued U.S. leadership in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) hinges on our ability to import the world’s best engineers and scientists. Yet, this Backgrounder will present new data analysis showing that the vast majority of the foreign workers — including those at most major tech firms — are people of just ordinary talent, doing ordinary work. They are not the innovators the industry lobbyists portray them to be.

I presented some initial analyses along these lines in an earlier Backgrounder,1 showing for instance that STEM foreign students at U.S. universities tend to be at the less-selective universities. Here I present a much more direct analysis, making use of a simple but powerful idea: If the foreign workers are indeed outstanding talents, they would be paid accordingly. We can thus easily determine whether a foreign worker is among “the best and the brightest” by computing the ratio of his salary to the prevailing wage figure stated by the employer. Let’s call this the Talent Measure (TM). Keep in mind that a TM value of 1.0 means that the worker is merely average, not of outstanding talent.

I computed median TM values for various subgroups of interest. A summary of the results is:

• The median TM value over all foreign workers studied was just a hair over 1.0.
• The median TM value was also essentially 1.0 in each of the tech professions studied.
• Median TM was near 1.0 for almost all prominent tech firms that were analyzed.
• Contrary to the constant hyperbole in the press that American (and Western European) kids are weak at math in comparison with their counterparts in Asia, TM values for guest workers from Western European countries tend to be higher than those of the Asians.

Again noting that a TM value of 1.0 means just average, the data show dramatically that most foreign workers, the vast majority of whom are from Asia, are in fact not “the best and the brightest.”

Note that the statutory definition of prevailing wage takes into
account experience levels. In other words, the TM value for a worker compares him to workers of the same level of experience, not to the workforce as a whole. Thus the modest TM values found here for the guest workers cannot be dismissed by pointing to the fact that many of the guest workers are younger.

This article also presents further data showing an equally important point:

• Most foreign workers work at or near entry level, described by the Department of Labor in terms akin to apprenticeship. This counters the industry’s claim that they hire the workers as key innovators, and again we will see a stark difference between the Asians and Europeans.

Methodology
The analysis uses data from the Department of Labor’s Permanent labor Certification Program (PERM),2 which consists of information supplied by employers when they sponsor foreign worker for permanent residency, i.e. green cards. There are advantages to using this database rather than its H-1B cousin.

First, it addresses the concern expressed by some that H-1B Labor Condition Applications (LCAs) are merely requests for permission to hire foreign workers, without specifying actual workers, who may be chosen later. By contrast, each record in the PERM data is for an actual foreign worker, containing his actual salary and other information. (The PERM form allows an employer to specify salary as a range rather than as a single value, but this is rarely used.)

Second, the PERM data include information concerning the nationality of the foreign worker, enabling the between-country comparisons in the analysis here.

Finally, the PERM data show the current visa status of the worker, which is typically H-1B but is sometimes O-1. The law defines the O-1 visa as applying to “workers of extraordinary ability.” Since these are the workers of interest here, it gives us a basis of comparison.

Note that while most workers in the PERM database are H-1Bs, the converse is not true; many H-1Bs are not sponsored for green cards. Typically employers only sponsor their better H-1Bs for permanent residency. Thus if the PERM data show that most workers in the PERM data are not “the best and the brightest,” then even fewer of the H-1Bs overall are in that category.

The analysis uses the 2007 PERM data. The data were first screened, eliminating hourly workers, clear typographical errors, and so on.

Talent Measure Analysis
Again, I take as our Talent Measure (TM) the ratio of a worker’s salary to the prevailing wage claimed by the employer. The employer is legally required to pay at least the prevailing wage, and must state on the PERM application how that wage level was determined.3 Since the application will be rejected if the wage offered is below the prevailing wage, by definition all values of TM will be at least 1.0. The latter value means “the average worker,” i.e. of average talent, so if most workers have TM values close to 1.0, then most are probably not “the best and the brightest.”

With that it mind, let’s look at TM values, both overall and also for some specific occupations:



The trend, both general and for STEM occupations, is clear: Most TM values are only a little higher than 1.0, indicating that most of the foreign workers are not outstanding talents.

The sole exceptional occupation is mathematicians. Though rather few workers are in this category, the TM value is worth some comment. The anomaly is likely due to the recent interest in data mining, which has created a de facto two-tier wage structure among mathematicians, in which those who specialize in data mining are paid much more. Since the prevailing wage figures do not distinguish between these tiers, the official prevailing wage value set for mathematicians will be well below the market wage for data miners. Thus it is probable that even these foreign workers are not “the best and the brightest.”

Lobbyists for the big firms often claim that abuse of the H-1B program occurs mainly in Indian-owned “bodyshops” (firms that subcontract H-1Bs to larger companies), while by contrast the big firms are hiring “the best and the brightest.” Yet neither this scapegoating of the Indians nor the claim of hiring the top talents is warranted. Consider the TM values after disaggregation by firm:



Though these figures are slightly above the overall figures we saw earlier, they still show that the firms are not paying salaries indicating top talents.

Even Microsoft, on the high end of the companies shown here, is not paying top dollar, as seen by restricting attention to Microsoft’s workers holding the O-1 visa. As O-1 is specifically for, in the phrasing of the statute, “workers of extraordinary ability,” this gives us a measure of the salaries Microsoft pays to those foreign workers who in fact are “the best and the brightest.” The median TM for Microsoft O-1 workers is 1.404. That represents a salary premium of more than double what the firm is giving its foreign workers in general, so there does not appear to be much support for Microsoft’s claim that most of their H-1Bs are of extraordinary talent.

Thus again, it is readily apparent that even the most prominent tech firms, which are in the vanguard of the industry movement pressuring Congress to expand foreign worker programs, generally do not hire from “the best and the brightest” league.

https://cis.org/Report/H1Bs-Still-Not-Best-and-Brightest

 

That was in a criminal investigation and this has nothing to do with a crime. This is a national security matter and HIGHLY classified information as to sources and methods.

 

Please be specific are you saying where did I get what she said wrong?

"To the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters, the Director of National Intelligence and the heads of all departments, agencies, and entities of the United States Government involved in a covert action—"

And he briefed them it doesn't say he has to pre-brief them.

 

Not surprising. But the worst briefings I have had have been from members of congress. Congress doesn't trust the administration. I don't trust any of them.[/QUOTE]
Do you trust the administration[/QUOTE]
Are they political and are they part of "any of them?" You could have answered this question yourself.

 

To the extent he could and not matter what he said you wouldn't believe it.

 

What is it exactly do they need to know? Are they confused about the fact he was terrorist, and an active terrorist and engaged in attacks on us, planning attacks on us and our allies and that is the definition of an imminent threat. You think that's a lie?

 

What are you talking about think he has learned a lot like if you draw a line in the sand be prepared to back it up. That the only thing the Iranians respect is a show of power. That appeasement doesn't work. Had Europe stood up to Hitler as Trump just did to Iran WW2 may have been averted. This entire matter is a the HIGHEST levels of our national security and requires the utmost secrecy to protect those who are assisting us especially inside Iran and the methods we are using. We never told Congress we had broken the Japanese and German Codes.

We're pulling out, we will do it on OUR schedule and on our conditions not Iran's. And Iran is now on notice even when we do you will refrain from further terrorist activities and acts of war as in taking hostage ships in international waters.

 

How can you possible say that an active terrorist who has been actively attacking us and even ramping up the frequency and nature those attacks is not an imminent threat?

 

CIA Director Haspel Backed Killing, Predicted Missile Attacks
CIA director Gina Haspel foresaw the Iranian missile attack on two Iraqi military bases housing U.S. troops but said that killing Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani was worth the risk.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/soleimani-iran-ginahaspel-cia/2020/01/09/id/949042/

 

~ It could very well be that is exactly what todays IT worker is worth. Judging by the software created I certainly do not see justification for such a high salary.

~ Don't forget Psychology , Law and Performing Arts - more degrees that are mostly worthless.

 

The briefing given to congress critters included examples of 90 incidents of Iranian proxy attacks against the U.S. and coalition forces in the last month-and-a-half; ultimately leading to the killing of an American. Of course the left doesn't think we should ever respond.

 

In reference to "bluesguy" above: I suggested that that "no imminent threat" was one of several possibilities. Personally, I have no idea whether there was an "imminent threat or not." I include no imminent threat as one possibility based on the apparent dissatisfaction expressed by Paul and Lee.

 

~ I suppose for some the American recently killed in Iran does not matter much - unless that solider is a spouse, sibling or child . `

 

The briefing proves that even the congress can only tolerate a certain amount of pure 100% unadulterated bullshit before it too finally gets revulsed.

 

Does Trump need new authorization to assassinate the Supreme Leader of Iran?