Educated vs "Non-Educated"

I don’t care. Just decide amongst yourselves and let everyone else know. At this point, I’m in discussions with three people who seem to favor socialism but all three have vastly different definitions. It’s annoying.

 

“a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR regulated by the community as a whole.

 

Here, happy now ?
“a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR regulated by the community as a whole.”

Go ahead, start listing the corporations that are NOT owned or regulated by the government.

 

Parents have had that option forever.

Students have had that right in American public schools forever.

The only proscription is on teachers - not students.

This has been the case from the founding of America.

Before then, colonies were often run by one religion and excluded those interested in other religions.

Anyone can homeschool if they want to. That hasn't been an issue.

Am I in favor of it? Not really, as too often it is a failure. Anyone can be a parent. But, that does not mean they are qualified to teach or that they know all subjects. Of course, there is help for that, but "homeschooling" includes those cases where the parents don't seek that help.

Public schools are created by government and the choices made are made through that governmnet. So in general, this question is meaningless.

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The essence of socialism is collectivized production. It can be all the way from a government-owned enterprise--the military, police, fire services, public schools--to a farmers' co-op. If it's limited to a tax transfer--Medicare, Medicaid, disability payment--it isn't socialism.

 

Correct, it isn't. It's transferring income.

 

The country has decided in spite of you're opinion. Do you think we will do away with all these social programs ?

 

Funny. That’s not the way SS defines their role.
What makes you think the rich pay for SS ? guess what, they don’t , There is a cap and everyone who earns a wage contributes.

 

Yup....the key phrase is “ owned or regulated.”
Now, the post office is owned by the government, and fedex and ups are regulated by the government. Seems like a lot of socialism going on.

 

I would say so. Except for blind people as many can read Braille. Most people in the preindustrial West were not all that bright. Not really.

 

It’s government run, disability and retirement income insurance..
Insurance and insurance plans are products. It’s socialism....

 

Giving most folks an education gave this country a huge advantage in the 19th and early 20th Centuries. Unfortunately, a number of countries caught and passed us in public education, especially following WW2.

Generally true.

 

Only the mentally challenged are illiterate ? Can you read Swahili ?

 

I believe we won’t do away with them. In time, they will do away with us. Or you anyway. I can survive on my own.

 

And my point is made over, and over, and over again. Love it!

 

If the government isn't doing more than transferring money, it isn't socialism.

Insurance? The insurance, if provided by government, is a collective enterprise, but not necessarily amount of the benefit.

 

Social Security transfers income and the overhead is less than 2% of benefits paid. People decide how they spend the SS check.

 

Yeah, uh huh--if you can't get Bill and Melinda Gates to adopt you...?

 

Pretty much every study done concludes religious practice increases academic performance.

 

I have no idea what someone else claimed. I can easily see Obamacare saving fewer people than we lose through drug overdoses.

It's a stretch, likely too far.

I support taxes being used to help poor people get coverage.

 

It’s a “government managed” disability and retirement income program. It’s no different then any disability program you can purchase from a private property, except, this is non profit and government run. So, unless you are saying that all insurance policies transfer income..... And, people on social security don’t control all the money, as some is Paid into Medicare premiums. It’s about as much socialism as anyone can get.

 

Ha ha...the government does not transfer the money. I really don’t know what you’re getting at. The surplus does not go directly to the recipients....so how can you call it a transfer. It goes into the general fund.
Social security meets all the criteria for socialism.show me a definition to the contrary. Are all insurance policies “ transfers? “
The transference of funds vs the payout for an insurance policy are treated differently for tax purposes.

 

The system structure can get better results. British Columbia in Canada has the top readers in the world (PISA tests) and their school system is almost identical to ours.

We need better quality teachers, especially in the sciences, mathematics, computer science, and skilled trades. How to get them? Raise the pay.

 

The 2% SS overhead is the production part of SS, so you can say SS is collectivized production but it's only the overhead part of the program.