How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence

In was going to vote for Clinton until I saw some Facebook ads that said she was bad. Dirty russkies.

 

No what I’m telling you is that it is an inevitability. Jefferson was right.

How do you compromise with a side that asserts the removal of a duly elected President is their goal before he ever takes office? A side that undermines their OWN policy goals because if they didn’t it would give said president “a win”? A side which advocates for or at the VERY least looks the other way in regards to violence against the other side.

Furthermore, the other side is incredibly racist against whites. So much so that they codify laws which put whites at a disadvantage.

So here, you want something we can compromise on? How about first the removal of laws and government policies that are EXPLICITLY racist against white people. Let’s start there.

 

I think minimum wage laws should go away.
If you don't like the wage at your job, find another one or start your own business.

I believe abortion is murder and i think it should be illegal. However not everyone feels the same way so I'd be at least hesitant to pass abortion laws.
I think all gun laws are blatantly unconstitutional every single one of them infringes on the rights if the people to keep and bear arms.

I think it's absolutely stupid to take drugs recreationally but you should be free to do it on your own time in your own home. Your business is your business after all.
But as soon as you step onto the street high on them, you make it my business.

I think the supreme court needs to stay in session year around and review every law on the books for not only that it can be passed off as constitutional but to make sure that every law is following the intent of our founding fathers who in my opinion pretty much nailed it.

 

imo it's very, very small potatoes to worry about. The concern stems from a lack of confidence in the American electorate to be able to figure out what is true and what isn't, the question being, what if they don't vote just like me? That's why the ballot is secret -- to protect American citizens from retaliation.

Make all elections in the USA all paper, no electronics used at all. Value security over convenience.

 

And if history is any indicator, there is a high probability, despite potentially being made up almost completely of Americans at this point, that groups like the Proud Boys and AntiFa may actually have been created themselves by Russian agents specifically for the purpose of pitting them against each other and sparking violent conflict more broadly. I mean, I don't know about the rest of you, but these groups did seem to almost come out of nowhere, I do not recall ever hearing about AntiFa prior to just a year or so ago when people suddenly began talking about it almost non-stop, and the Proud Boys, similarly a complete enigma until just recently. Just speculation of course, but their spontaneous and seemingly improbable creation does appear to be highly suspect and they don't really strike me as the type of things Americans would go out and create on their own.

I agree with this totally with one exception. I think these groups are being financed by the Billionaire Cabal.

The social media trolling is being done by Putin, but is mainly a diversion

The real problem will come when either Trump, Putin or both hack the election machines. That is really quite easy to do

The only way to stop that is to defeat Trump very decisively, that way cheating will be overwhelmed.

Vote.

 

Quit sticking our noses in other peoples business.
Quit telling other people what to do.

That is the biggest thing right there.

 

Stopping divisive posts like this would help.


The truth? I think Americans want to fight...

 

Then again Trump and republicans openly declared their intentions to act in bad faith and destroy everything we believe in. The only thing that has changed from Obama’s presidency to Trump’s is they have immense power to shut the government down when even a modicum of pushback is issued. Hell ive spoken to trump supporters who actually approved of net neutrality but they still excuse away efforts to gut it.

 

The pretentious nature of bothsiderism isnt going to stop things.

 

Yeah these are pretty good ideas. People are angry and they feel disenfranchised and well thats because the people are. When people feel disenfranchised and powerless to do anything about their own lives the amount of conspiracy theories rise as well. It doesnt help that we have tons of rich talk radio hosts promoting insane conspiracy theories and Q-anon crazies running about.

 

Lol. Baseless accusations.

 

I disagree with the part about the proud boys and antifa. Violence was going to happen in Charlottesville regardless of Russian efforts or anything antifa did. The unite the right marchers went after several people who were not part of the skirmish and went outside their designated area to do so. The nearby first united methodist church was one of the nazis’ targets. It was organized by a guy that has a history of violent offenses as well. We need to stop ignoring the biggest domestic terrorist threat we face these days.

 

Mitch mcconnel disagrees. Also Donald Trump disagrees.

 

Problem with that is legitimate criticisms will be ignored and bothsiderism will rule the day without any careful consideration about who was involved in what altercation. When we have cases of police escorting nazis into a lgbtq pride parade and letting them beat people, a police presence can be counterproductive.

 

Lol. McCarthyism is back en vogue

 

This isnt a new attitude from the NRA crowd.

 

That issue was settled long ago. You guys will just have to get used to other people being Americans. I know fox news has told you several times that only you can be a true patriot but its all just fluff.

 

How will this solve the issue of disempowered voters?

 

Actually what makes people happy isn't their current job it's the idea that things are getting better.

 

Really there are more options than the far rightie fantasy of civil war (as if that wasnt talked about for decades). Really if you want to look at the causes of this divide you should look at who has constantly been the ones to dehumanize the other for decades. The gop’s narrative today is the same narrative that fox news has pushed since its inception. Needless attacks on scientists who are just trying to enhance our knowledge of the world. Demonization of teachers has always been part and parcel of talk radio. Schoolteachers are made out to be some secret leftist cabal that are brainwashing our children and the radio man says they must be stopped! Well so much for them frozen peaches eh? They have insulted the ever loving hell out of black voters with conspiracies that not even alt-righters take seriously. They pretend black democratic voters are too stupid to vote what is in their best interests then wonder why they have to brag about very small percentages in order to look good. Fact of the matter is fox news and talk radio never considered the opposite side to be human beings, never considered liberals to be Americans, and for decades have told us that only fox news watchers are true Americans, if you disagree with us get out. Truth is claiming “oh im just shock jocking” is not an excuse. When you have been told your entire life that you are the true patriot, someone fighting for their rights can seem like an attack.

 

There are things like mass community action and building up of structures and institutions that will allow for such. Mass strikes over multiple key industries would have put tremendous pressure on Twump and McConnel to end their hostage taking of federal worker wages. Since we dont have the type of union power that would have taken care of striking workers, that option is not likely going to be available.

 

Perhaps one political party and it's adherent should graciously accept defeat and move to improve their appeal. Pres Trump was elected because year after year the Left beat up on conservatives (literally and figuratively ) with no "push back" . we finally got someone who comes to our defense. The rift has long been here, now it is a crisis for the Left because the Right is fighting back.