Does Religious Freedom Supercede Gender Identity?

So you disagree with the founders? Because the founders sure as hell disagreed with you.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

 

False. Hitler used religion as propaganda. When he met with his confidants he expressed his disgust and hatred for Christianity and religion.

Stalin May have trained for it but he rejected religion and Christianity specifically.

 

Abortion was LEGAL when the nation was founded which means it was protected under the 9th Amendment's unenumerated rights.

Secondly the Roe vs Wade decision determined that under the 4th and 14th Amendments we ALL have a right to PRIVACY which protects doctor/patient confidentiality.

 

So NOWHERE does your deity specify in your bible that you have any rights?

According to your deity YOU have ZERO freedom of religion!

According to your deity YOU have can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment!

According to your deity YOU have ZERO PRIVACY!

Thanks for establishing that there are NO "god given" rights according to YOUR own beliefs.

 

Kneejerk denialism on your part does not alter factually documented reality.

 

So was having religion in schools and local and state government. there were also zero restrictions on firearms. I’m down for an originalist view of the constitution. Are you?

 

You’re right your flat denial and acceptance of propaganda doesn’t change the truth.

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

“During middle school,” Redlich wrote in “Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet,” the young pupil “made the life of his teacher of religion, Father Salo Schwarz, miserable” by adhering “to his father’s view that religion was for the stupid and old women.”

The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity. - Hitler

In 1933, Hitler said, ‘It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.’" The Catholic League also quoted Hitler, in a 4/23/99 Op-Ed ad in the New York Times, as saying, "Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn’t know Christianity and syphilis."

Hitler hated Christianity with a passion, adding that shortly after assuming power in 1933, Hitler told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."

As Hitler grew in power, he made other anti-Christian statements. For example, he was quoted in Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, by Allan Bullock, as saying: "I’ll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

Educate yourself before you attempt to debate me.

 

Does that mean that you EMBRACE the fact that the Founding Fathers used COMPROMISE as the basis for forming our SECULAR Federal government of We the People?

 

Our government is not secular. The Supreme Court has declared us a Christian country as well as our founding fathers made it clear that our country was founded by religious people and granted them protections under the law from people like you.

 

Nope!

Your deity DEMANDS that you MUST ONLY worship it and no other deity!

You don't have freedom of speech either!

You are subjected to cruel and unusual punishments in your bible such as "eye for an eye" and the death penalty for blasphemy and working on the Sabbath.

Furthermore you have ZERO PRIVACY from an all seeing and all knowing deity!

 

That’s false. God allows us to follow any religion we choose. He simply tells us that making the wrong decision results in consequences. Just like playing with fire. You can play with fire all you want but it’s likely you’re going to end up getting burned.

I’m not Jewish so there is no death penalty. But regardless you’re speaking about things of which you don’t understand. The mosaic law was not given unto salvation. But you don’t know that because you haven’t actually read it.

The constitution doesn’t guarantee us privacy from god but from other people. And that privacy is respected time and again throughout the Bible.

 

I don't think this sets any precedent. The case was dismissed due to lack of standing. They didn't make a ruling on the merits so no binding precedent is set.

 

Doesn’t it show that being told they’re not going to be served doesn’t constitute demonstrable harm and as such they have no standing to sue. That would be true with any case like this going forward would it not?

 

Cherry picking all you have?



The MAJORITY of Germans were Christians just like Hitler and he USED their Christianity against the Jews and as a tool to justify his 3rd Reich.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-german-churches-and-the-nazi-state

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

There are plenty of his speeches where Hitler openly professed his Christian faith.

 

ASSBACKWARDS again!

The Founding Fathers provided Freedom of Religion from people like YOU who want to IMPOSE your beliefs on others.

There is ZERO MENTION of your deity anywhere in the Constitution. Science is mentioned TWICE!

The FF ensured that we would have a SECULAR government of We the People because they KNEW the HARM that religion causes!

 

Wow. You have to be being obtuse. Do you understand what propaganda is? He used Christianity to gain support for his cause from an ignorant populace who didn’t know any better.

You reference his speeches where he was giving his propaganda. But when he spoke about it outside of his speeches and public performances, he despised Christianity.

 

Your baseless allegations have zero credibility but thanks for establishing that you have no privacy because of your beliefs.

 

The SCOTUS declared we are a Christian nation:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Trinity_v._United_States

And of course he is. What do you think they were referring to when they referenced religion?

 

Yes, but they're not presenting a characteristic being immutable as a requirement for it to be a protected class.

I think it's a bad example. Plenty of religious people don’t object to abortion to the extent of flatly refusing to have anything to do with it and plenty of non-religious people do. It’s a complex and multi-faceted topic that doesn’t follow religious lines anything like as much as you might like to imagine.

Religious people don’t get an exemption from paying taxes. Some religious organisations do because they’re essentially treated as being automatically like charities.

You’re still talking about religious freedom as if it’s more important than any other freedom yet you’ve still not established any legal right than only applies to religious people specifically. I've no objection to you fighting for the right to follow your principles, only to your seeking to deny me the same.

 

All you have are 3rd hand OPINIONS whereas I am quoting his actual words!

Did you not know that the term propaganda stems from your own religion?

 

What have I said that in ANY way seeks to deny you from following your principles. YOU are the one suggesting that I should have to participate in a system which is directly against my religious beliefs.

And religious people don’t get an exemption from taxes but they have every right to advocate for policy that doesn’t violate their religious beliefs.

And just because some “religious” people don’t have a problem with abortion doesn’t mean it isn’t expressly forbidden in mine.

Last they may not be presenting it as immutable but the guidelines for what qualifies as a protected class is explicitly defined as being an immutable quality.

 

WRONG again on both counts!

It was NOT the SCOTUS but a SINGLE justice who used that term therefore it was NOT an official declaration of the court itself.

Furthermore Justice Brewer CLARIFIED what he meant by his use of the term which you obviously NEVER bothered to read for yourself!

Thanks for establishing that you are WRONG about that allegation of yours.

 

No sir. It was part of the decision and opinion signed off on by the SCOTUS.

What he came back and said years later is completely irrelevant to a SCOTUS decision.

If John Roberts came back and said he didn’t ACTUALLY think that homosexuals should have marriage rights, that doesn’t change the decision by the court.

 

So your God doesn't promote that you be kind to others? To respect others?

I don't see it as a lie to call a senior in a home whatever they choose. They have lived a long life, they are close to its end, and if they want to be called by a pronoun that doesn't seem to fit, what harm would it do to go along with it? Would your God judge you harshly for that? Or would he/she/they see you as being kind and respectful and doing what you can to make the rest of their days happier?

 

Here is the ACTUAL DECISION signed off on by the court:

There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning. They affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation. These are not individual sayings, declarations of private persons. They are organic utterances. They speak the voice of the entire people. While because of a general recognition of this truth the question has seldom been presented to the courts, yet we find that in Updegraph v. Com., 11 Serg. & R. 394, 400, it was decided that, "Christianity, general Christianity, is, and always has been, a part of the common law of Pennsylvania."

Notice WE not *I*