John Kelly: Vindman Was Right to Report Trump’s ‘Illegal Order’ on Ukraine

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-kelly-vindman-was-right-to-report-trumps-illegal-order-on-ukraine

    Trump enablers having minor change of hearts are ****ing pathetic.

    Dude is wiping his ass with the constitution daily, and clowns like Kelly think we give a **** that they disagree on a known issue after the fact?

    Honestly though it is clear there is nothing they could have done that would stop the Republicans from supporting Trump, and no matter what choice they make/made they get attacked by everyone else.

    For all those that left this administration early on they were attacked for resigning and being told that they should of stayed on and tried to fight the issues from the inside as once they resigned there was nothing they could do to stop or mitigate the damage.

    For all those that stayed on, it's too little too late and are being attacked for not resigning or leaving early enough.

    Trump - as he is apt to do - has responded by attacking John Kelly and even going so far as to bring John Kelly's wife into the attack.
     
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    If you don't do as you're told there's a chance you'll get canned. I'm sure Obama was different though.
     
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    Who is them? (Spies)
     
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    Vindmann's obligation was to report any wrongdoing to Morrison.

    He did not.

    He worked with Schiff and Ciamerella to leak the POTUS' communications.

    Hopefully a court-martial isn't far behind.
     
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    and a prison term. I hate traitors and leakers that is actually what this fat pudgy face little stooge is. Another Obama stooge and holdover that needs to be deposed in a classified setting under penalty of perjury.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right...

    ... he's the Donald...

    ... an' he's Prezident...

    ... but it was illegal...

    ... an' he shouldn't done it."
     
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    Obama being "different" than Trump?

    Wow. That is a hard one.:bored:

    Is Fire "different" than Ice?

    Anyway, this won't matter to Trump Supporters and Kelly is Too little/Too late.

    [​IMG]
     
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    How is saying you respect someone an attack? ( Did you read past your own headline or is that why you did not quote it)

    If Vindman was given an "illegal order" why did he go to the "Whistleblower" and not following Chain of Command ( Since Kelley wants that followed)

    When did Vindman during his hours of testimony before the House mention an "illegal order" one would think he had ample chances.


    "His incredible wife, Karen, who I have a lot of respect for, once pulled me aside & said strongly that 'John respects you greatly. When we are no longer here, he will only speak well of you.' Wrong!" Trump tweeted.


    Oh now i see it!!!!! "Wrong!" with an exclamation mark is like the ok sign and racist!!! Its a Dogwhistle.. Thank you !
     
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    Vindmann earned a purple heart because he was injured during his deployment and then returned to his military service.
     
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    Feel free to review what I said.

    "even going so far as to bring John Kelly's wife into the attack." That would mean John Kelly was the one being attacked, but that Trump also referenced his wife while attacking John Kelly.
     
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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    But, credit where credit is due.

    I liked THIS Part:

    traitors and leakers that is actually what this fat pudgy face little stooge is

    ^What a perfect description TRUMP.

    Anyway, Kelly was Spot-On.:salute:
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    You think his courage should be rewarded with a prison term?

    Wow. You really love the rule of law.

    Unfuckingbelievable.
     
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    How did Vindmann work with either to leak the communication? The only person to release the contents of that communication was Donald Trump.


    Also, it is a real pathetic effort to attack someone by saying, "Yes, you reported it to a superior, but you did not report it to your immediate superior."
     
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    You are implying she was attacked and in no manner was she.
     
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    It's amusing how direct testimony about Bonespurs' scumbaggy conduct isn't "evidence", but rank speculation should result in a hero being imprisoned.

    Very interesting concept of what's "evidence".
     
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    Uniform code of Miltary Justice is pathetic?
     
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    Was he really hurt, or was it a John Kerry paper cut Purple Heart?

    There really should be levels of Purple Hearts. Giving Kerry the same Purple Heart as someone who looses and arm or a leg does not seem right.
     
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    Tell us what your fantastic legal arguments are.

    Thank you.
     
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    You mean like when he was asked about Eric Ciamerella and said he wouldn't release the name of the "whistleblower"?

    Did you bother reading his testimony?

    They worked with both of course. That's why Ciamerella's closest associates are now Schiff's aides.

    Do you think your "Wizard of Oz" thing is working?
     
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    Read it concerning unlawful orders
     
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    Instead of making a bogus claim about Vindman, why can't you just look it up for yourself? This took me all of 3 seconds to find.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/pho...-alexander-vindman-kicked-out-by-trump-2020-2

    Vindman, who emigrated with his parents from then-Soviet controlled Ukraine when he was 3, has served in the Army since 1999. As an infantryman, his most notable accomplishments include completing the US Army's Ranger course and earning the Expert Infantryman Badge.

    He would later deploy to Iraq with the 5th Infantry Regiment. According to a military citation, he received a Purple Heart in 2004 after he was injured in an improvised-explosive-device attack. Vindman's Purple Heart citation is one of the career hallmarks that Democratic lawmakers have referenced to support his account as a credible witness.
     
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    Asking for an investigation into why the VP is getting involved in his corrupt son's dealings at a corrupt company in a corrupt country isn't illegal.
     
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    I'm going to pull a, well, you, here and ask you to cite your sources.
     
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    You want a source for the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    Good one.
     
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    I'm giving you a chance here.. I gave you the source for you to look at directly.. I'm allowing you to actually pick a source you trust and find our on your own.. Ie im giving you a way out.
     

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