3 in 4 Democrats would support a socialist for president: poll

Well there you have it, even as many left of center posters insist that the Party is not going socialistic three out of four Democrats would support a socialist for the presidency. Pssst . . . that means that the Party has already GONE . . . socialistic.

So let's cease pretending otherwise. Regardless of what our Dem Party posters say to the contrary it is now the Democratic Socialist Party, period. The DSP for short. What a relief that now they can cease pretending that it has been anything other than that for a rather long time, when you get right down to it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/3-...foxnews/politics (Internal - Politics - Text)

Well there you have it; the new reality in regards to the Dem Party or the DSP. Enjoy.

 

A sad reality of how the Democratic Party has become so radical in favoring Socialism and actually buying this "Democratic Socialism" rebranding, when really there is no such thing! As Hugo Chavez once said, "the only way to save the world is through socialism, but a socialism that exists within a democracy; there's no dictatorship here." The people of Venezuela once bought it too, now look at it! Sanders wants to make America Venezuela or Cuba. The sad thing is people are buying the whole fake propaganda that we will be like Denmark for example, which isn't even a Socialist country. A lot of people are not educated about Socialism and that it has NEVER succeeded. Also some don't care to realize the facts, because their hatred of Trump supercedes what is in the best interest of the country.

On the flip side another poll was conducted by Rasmussen that shows 59% of the voters have an unfavorable view of Socialism:
https://m.rasmussenreports.com/publ...N&utm_source=criticalimpact-&utm_medium=email

 

Democratic socialism is not a "rebranding". It is a different term because it is describing a different system. Nobody is proposing full-on socialism here in the United States, including the Democratic candidates. Nobody is proposing communism. All the idiotic comparisons that people are making rely on the uninformed kneejerk reaction to the S word and rely on folks not knowing enough about it to realize the difference.

But it sure does make a good political ad, huh. Sure makes good headlines and gets people fired up. What's wrong with a little fake news for a good cause, right?

 

Revolutionaries don't fight for systems they plan to keep, otherwise they'd be reformers. Commie Sanders is a self proclaimed revolutionary, his enemy is capitalism and the US Constitution...

 

It's going to boil down to whether patriots or the Left get out the vote across the expanse of the entire nation at the end of 2020. For all the big talk of socialists -- which is now really all that the Dem Party leadership has become -- patriots seem to have more enthusiasm. Love of nation versus love of self. I think that 2020 is going to go to the patriots; but I think that it might be the last time ever. The political Left have simply managed to turn out too many selfish non-thinkers with their educational systems. The future is . . . not . . . bright. But 2020, and the next four years are going to be okay.

 

It just means people are much more afraid of the authoritarian Trump than the Democratic Socialist Sanders. If you will, the lesser of two evils.

 

Democratic Socialism is complete nonsense the two words go together like voluntary slavery. Tocqueville said it best, "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

Thank you for proving my exact point in your statement. Just like what the people thought about Hugo Chavez.....

Let's see a self proclaimed "Democratic Socialist" isn't proposing full on Socialism, yet his policies are Socialist, and he praises people like Castro. Yes, all fake news...

More specifics for you....

Medicare for All: Sanders' health care plan where private health insurance is banned and the government even covers medication, vision, mental health and dental care is closest to Cuba's.

Taxes: Sanders says he would raise the U.S. corporate tax rate from 21% to 35%. Sanders' corporate tax rate would be far higher than the European average; Denmark and Sweden, for instance (which the "Democratic" Socialists love to use an example) only have a 22% corporate tax rate, almost the same as ours. However a country that does have the 35% tax rate is CUBA!

Corporate Governance: Sanders' "Corporate Accountability and Democracy" plan would require publicly traded companies and corporations of a certain size to have 45% of their boards elected by workers and to give up 20% ownership to employees. His plan mandates moving toward collective control of the means of production and nationalization of major industries, the textbook definition of Cuban-style socialism.

Now let's look at Venezuela, the Venezuelan constitution originally had the separation of powers. However, socialist leadership saw the document as too restrictive. In response, they blurred the lines effectively ridding the country of checks and balances, to drastically hinder any opposition to the socialist agenda.

American socialists are already advocating for subverting constitutional norms. American socialists, including Bernie Sanders wants to abolish the Electoral College. Some American socialists have gone as radical as wanting to abolish the Senate (these views can be found on the Democratic Socialist of America website). These are all efforts to severely weaken potential conservative or moderate opposition.

American democratic socialists don’t even pay lip service to constitutional norms. Like their authoritarian Venezuelan peers, the radical left favor heavy gun control and openly seek to curb private gun ownership. This is key to the process of centralizing force and minimizing any potential resistance in the future.

How anyone doesn't see the similarities and how dangerous this ideology is and what it COULD lead to is either highly misinformed or willfully ignorant or both...

 

Can you give any specific examples of Trump's so-called authoritarian policies?

 

Yes, he won't let the Left win. Thus he is an authoritarian. Of course that is me trying to think like a political leftist.

 

Orrrr, 1 in four democrats still possess some common sense!

 

That right there is why real Americans should be very worried!!!

 

This is their chance to turn their backs on the Party and stay home on election day. Let's see how many of them still possess that much integrity, though.

 

Actually yes, that is what it amounts to.

 

I see that as dems losing 25% of its voters.....

 

This is so . . . unless they never really meant it when they claimed to be against going socialist. Frankly I have my doubts regarding their integrity or sincerity in that regard.

 

I agree. The dems in Congress are only upset because Bernie is openly expressing what they believe.

 

Our candidates are pointing out the possibility, ensuring we know that it can be accomplished.

And, we should already know that, of course, as every other industrialized democracy on Earth has a healthcare plan that is single payer in nature and costs FAR less then what we lavish on our insurance companies as we beg them for coverage.

However, the candidates of today aren't going to be the ones who write the legislation.

Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump didn't get to do that, and our next president won't get to do that either.

We should WANT a president who thinks through these ideas - even if they sound scary in some way. Pretty much NOBODY in government is thinking through the serious issues of healthcare and immigration in any serious way.

We're just seeing irresponsible scattershot nonsense like trying to kill the ACA when we don't even have a replacement, or building a little more wall when most here without papers came here legally and stayed.

 

Bernie wants free healthcare, free education and open borders. Sounds like Bernie has his head up his ass.

 

Come on, guy. Let's at least stay within the lines a little bit.

We spend stupendous amounts on healthcare.

Working out ways to do it more efficiently AND to address our whole population is important.

Let's remember that every other industrialized nation spends less than we do, covers all their citizens, AND has very good outcomes.

Why would you NOT want to spend less?

Why would you NOT want our corporations to be free of the requirement to spend time and money on administering healthcare???

 

Who is "we"? Millions of Americans have healthcare thru their employer. Why would you want to take away their healthcare....and give it to an illegal alien?

 

The Fox link you sent provided this link from Gallup.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- More than nine in 10 Americans say they would vote for a presidential candidate nominated by their party who happened to be black, Catholic, Hispanic, Jewish or a woman. Such willingness drops to eight in 10 for candidates who are evangelical Christians or are gays or lesbians. Between six and seven in 10 would vote for someone who is under 40 years of age, over 70, a Muslim or an atheist.


Just one group tested -- socialists -- receives majority opposition. Less than half of Americans, 45%, say they would vote for a socialist for president, while 53% say they would not.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

Your thread title is a lie.

The Fox title is a lie.

 

I suspect that in your head your objection actually made sense.

 

2 out of 3 Democrats must have failed history and math.

 

I do not see the connection the poster made. Sounds like they pulled something out of their ass.