Progressivism: Enemy of America. Enemy of Humanity.

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  1. usfan

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    Nice try with a Tu Quoque fallacy.

    The problem is, i have provided EVIDENCE and ARGUMENTS for my warning, not just false accusations and tu Quoque fallacies.

    Deflections from the obvious reality of the progressive destruction of America, will only hasten that destruction, and expose you as a conspirator to that end.
     
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    No, you provided OPINION and are trying claim that OPINION = EVIDENCE. Fail.
     
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    Progressives can only deflect and distract, from their agenda of destroying America. No fallacy is off limits.. no accusation is too absurd.. no deception is too obvious.

    Propaganda and lies, repeated constantly, are the main tools of the progressive left.. not reason or facts.
     
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    You illustrate this from the OP:

    "3. Other rights that have evolved such as freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to due process, face your accuser, presumption of innocence, etc.
    Facts & evidence have no importance to the leftist, only propaganda & manipulation. Their agenda is supreme, & everything revolves around it. They do not wait for facts or due process, but rush to judgement in the most absurd cases. Their propaganda is constantly distorting reality & the facts, just to promote some social narrative & further their agenda."
     
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    Again. Bombastic hyperbole. A lazy tool of someone who wants to pigeon-hole entire groups of people when such groupings always break down when applied to individuals.
     
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    Please show me where I tried to curtail your "freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to due process or your presumption of innocence."

    I seem to remember it was the Trump fans chanting, "lock her up ..." even though she had never had a trial ...
     
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    This is a serious problem given short shrift by most. If I can call constitutional conservatism the opposite of progressivism the salient example of your point was the Tea Party wresting political power from the Democrats in 2010. They gave Boehner the Speakership and he in turn became dedicated to destroying true conservatives in the House. Plus McConnell works as hard to primary conservatives out of existence as he does "fighting" liberalism.
     
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    More conservative hysterics.
     
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    The working classes will be lost to the Left, purely because of Progressives. When the aristocrats and their sneering contempt moved left from their usual centre in pursuit of street cred and alleviation of guilt, the working classes moved to the centre - or even to the right.
     
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    The poster literally called for unity.

    And there is no greater unity than resisting the globalists.
     
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    100%. They're everywhere.

    And yes, the ideology is toxic beyond measure.
     
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    Is this a rebuttal?
     
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    You cannot 'unite' with those who are trying to destroy you. You can only submit to their tyranny, or resist them.

    That is the nature of an enemy. They make peaceful coexistence impossible, as their agenda is the destruction of America.

    There are 2 basic types, of progressive enemies of America:

    1. Unwitting dupes. Useful idiots, who have been 'programmed', from infancy to hate America and all She stands for.
    2. Progressive ideologues. They are committed to the anti-American agenda, and use any means to their end of destruction. They lie, disseminate propaganda, foment sedition, and are actively treasonous in their attacks on American freedom.

    Most progressive indoctrinees are in the #1 category. They think Progressivism is 'cool', and believe a collectivist fantasy can actually work, even though every attempt in the history of mankind has led to despotism and oppression.

    This is a time for Americans to unite against a common enemy that is bent on our destruction. It is not a time to pacify, or try to accomodate those who want to dismantle the only successful Experiment in self rule, in the history of humanity.
     
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    ..the typical dodge and weave, deflecting from the topic, accusing falsely, and attacking straw men.

    I provided facts and evidence of the progressive infiltration of an anti-American agenda. You dismissed those facts as 'opinions!'. I quoted from the OP, where this tactic of progressive deflection is used, and you deflect more, with a straw man of my point.

    Progressive indoctrinees are not rational debaters, but agenda driven ideologues, twisting everything and spinning the facts to distract while they work tirelessly for the destruction of America, and implement their socialist fantasies.

    The goal is to muddy and confuse, until their control is complete. THEN they can use the power of the State to control and manipulate us with no definitional deflections.
     
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    Progressivism can be summed up as opposition to human beings multiplying, filling the Earth and subduing it.
     
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    ..not completely. They work to create breeding grounds, in 3rd world countries, and promote overpopulation through open borders.

    And mismanagement of the earth's resources, and hysterical attacks on sound use of the planet's resources, shows the agenda is control, manipulation, and the destruction of America, not 'Save the Earth!' :cynic:
     
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    I asked you a direct question and you pasted up a wall of bull **** to run from it. Whatever. We’ve seen your type before. Ain’t nothing special.
     
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    Definitely not 'save the Earth'. They are not Earth lovers; they are human haters. They are misanthropes.
     
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    Ad hominem is a poor substitute for reason.

    The fact is, that progressive ideology, with it's agenda of the destruction of the American Experiment, has taken over many (all?) of the institutions of America. They work tirelessly, to deceive, indoctrinate, and deflect attention from that agenda, until they have control.

    Americans, who LIKE the dream of America, can either fight and resist the juggernaut of Progressivism, or submit to the takeover, and say goodbye to America.

    You can go along, as an unwitting dupe to progressive Indoctrination, or become an active promoter of the collectivist fantasy.

    Your dream of putinism may actually be realized, if progressives succeed in destroying America! :D
     
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    We have been a progressive nation since the day our Founders signed the Declaration of Independence. The alternative is what Iran has. No thanks.

    And once again you avoided my direct question.
     
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    Just an observation.
     
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    Progressivism these days is the same as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc...practiced. You guys might as well be pushing the " Great Leap Forward".....
     
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    Perhaps you missed the point there. They are referring to progressive's love of big government. This is the opposite of how the founders set this nation up. They believed in individual freedom not big government, hence, a decentralized government with states and separation of powers in the branches of our federal government. How can you not get that?
     
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    Government has grown just as much under the Republicans - just different departments. Homeland Security with its 250,000 employees was a child of the Republicans (the National debt grew 101% under Bush - 89% under Obama).

    And the Founders were split as to the roll of government - just read about the arguments between Hamilton and Jefferson. And Jefferson and Adams.
     
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    That's a pretty broad statement; can you elaborate more on Stalin, Mao & Pol Pot for us?
     
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