Trump didn't create this mess. He just made it worse

The big picture, is that there would be a lot of black men alive today had they not resisted arrest. Do you believe that is true or not?

I hold BLM and Kaepernick directly responsible for many of those.

 

No.

OK.

 

Each and everyone which has been publicized recently has been after they resisted arrest. I guess you are going have to show me a large number of them otherwise.

 

If you go back and read over your responses you will clearly see that you are repeating yourself over and over with no real consideration of what anyone has posted that disagrees with your position. You have every right to do that if you so choose, but that's not really a discussion. It's a monologue.

Regardless, as Voltaire said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

I have a close relative who is anti-law enforcement. He posted instances on face book which was supposed to show police brutality. However, when I research beyond what he posted, everyone of them was preceded by the person resisting arrest.

 

But so are you.

I have one message. Don't resist and live.

 

because the democrats need to get rid of him by creating social unrest as they could never defeat him without it.

 

When did that happen?

Thanks, but I'm not afraid of police officers and I don't get in situations for them to come to my front door.

 

Most of your posts have said I did not understand.

That is a bit disingenuous. I am referring to the resistance by blacks which results in their death.

 

I didn't say you don't understand. I said that you are not considering the other side of your argument.

I'm not your target audience so that advice is better served where you intended it to go.

 

Same Thing.

Actually you are my target audience. I am trying to convince you that the problem does not lay entirely with the police.

 

You don't have to convince me of that. I already know that to be true.

 

Not worth it. It boils down to "the cop had a right to kill him because he resisted arrest". Utter nonsense!

BTW, he was not resisting arrest, because he wasn't being arrested. There is a procedure to arrest somebody which includes telling them that they are being arrested and what for. As far as I could tell from the video, he was being kidnapped. The cop didn't tell him he was being arrested. And "I think you had too much to drink" (or something to that effect) will not cut it. Having too much to drink is not a crime.

Likely, if he were white he wouldn't have been arrested (or whatever that was) at all. BLM most definitely has a legitimate claim.

 

Yes! For one thing. We don't elect a President to "simply exist". We elect them to lead.

 

Everything has 'cause' and 'effect'. So, in your example of BLM demonizing police - what is the cause of that? The demonization is the effect.

 

We elect them to lead and govern. We elect them to work with other countries diplomatically. We elect them to keep themselves abreast of current issues around the world and at home. Unfortunately, we have a POTUS that wants the title and none of the work. He wants 'glory' and adoration without putting in an effort.

 

This would appear like a weird remark unless you realize that racists in the right wingnut media echo chamber keep telling their audience that black people are not capable of realizing on their own that their civil rights are being violated unless the Democratic Party told them so.

 

I believe that is a misquote. That does not sound like something I would say and I cannot find where I said it.

Resisting arrest does not give them the right to kill them. It is not a right. However, it becomes justified when the cop feels like his life or someone else's life is threatened. And that is frequently the case when they resist arrest.

When they do not comply with the officer, they are violating the law The same laws apply as with resisting arrest.

 

That gets into who was first. The cycle has to be broken. Most law enforcement officers are honorable people who just want to do a good job. However, when the police in general are demonized, it encourages resistance in general.

I don't have a problem with setting up some kind of roster of bad cops. It should be done. I am sure there are other general improvements.

However, they are going about wrong. They want to defund or reduce funding for law enforcement at the same time they want to require more training and get better quality law enforcement. That combination simply will not work.

 

I don't know about the 'going about it wrong' comment. Look at what has been accomplished by these protests (note, protests, not riots). There are a rash of legitimate arrests of police officers, rather than just firings. And new policing policies are being put into effect each day. These are policies that have been needed for far too long - but no one ever implemented them. Now they are.

As for the 'defunding' comment - that was an issue that was discussed and resolved a couple of weeks ago. If you still take the word literally, I can't help you.

 

Nice cliche. What does it mean in the context of this thread?

 

I also said reduced funding which has taken place.

The claim is that there is a nationwide problem with a law enforcement. Arresting a few policeman and changing a few laws will not solve the problem. The resisting arrest will continue. This will have one of two undesirable outcomes. People will continue to be killed because they are resisting arrest or the police will back off and let criminals take charge or, more likely, a combination of the two.

 

You might want to look at McConnell's plan to let states go bankrupt - where do you think police get their funding? Police budgets were untouchable up until now. Over the past 30 years, the number of police per capita have increased significantly.

As for law enforcement tactics, I hardly think 'resisting arrest' - unless the assailant is armed - needs to result in death. Do you?

 

Off topic.

A person does not have to be armed to be a threat to your life.

 

How is a shortfall in a city's budget off topic for cuts to police funding?