Why are the COVID-19 spikes in Florida and Texas getting attention but not California?

No. I'm saying Cuomo played Trump like a fiddle.

 

Sure. But I don't have to. Now that you're so good at "finding messages" you can find plenty on this forum where that was addressed.

Not lie

By countering his lies. Albeit in a lukewarm way.

I have skipped your strawman arguments as well as all the parts you responded to without reading. Any time you want to be taken seriously, make sure you read and respond to what I say and not to what I don't say. I've decided that's what I'll do from now on. So if you don't see an answer to something it's because of one of those two things. I will only respond in those two instances if I can think of something to say that amuses me.

 

Who? Me? ... Criticize Trump?

Nah....

 

Bingo!

A mass gathering to do a lynching: not good
A mass gathering to protect civil rights: good.

And I'm very proud of what you think is my "double standard".

 

Do you not read. I said NOW they surpassed New York. "Now" <> "before"

As in "your reading skills have now surpassed your math skills in which one you are most lacking"

It would be idiotic to compare the number of dead when doctors didn't know anything about how to keep patients from dying, to now when they do. Or to compare the number of infected when we didn't even know if wearing a mask helped avoid infections, to now when we now it does.

Focus!

 

Here is what you said.

Patently false statement, but continue to spin.

It’s fun to watch you push the narrative NY “won” by killing more people faster. Efficiency in killing isn’t something I celebrate, but whatever floats your boat...

 

Here you quote me saying "This last week, Florida surpassed New York in number of cases and in number of dead."

New case average last week in NY 665, in Florida 7,948

As a 9 year old what the expression 665<7,948 means

Deaths yesterday (I could look for the week average but... why bother) NY 30, Florida 67

Now ask them what 30<67 means.

As I said, it would be idiotic to include in a comparison the cases and dead from the time when doctors didn't know how to handle cases, to current numbers when they do know how to handle them.

Handling of the pandemic by NY is clearly immensely better than Florida's. In the end we will see the final numbers and it will likely prove to also be better than many states like Texas, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin (yes, I know who the governor is)... and many many others in which the response has been controlled by Republicans.

 

Your posts are not factual because of omissions. A lie of omission is still a lie.
For example, your claim that 40,000 NYC residents fled the pandemic. Yet you fail to mention that they “fled” to other residences in NY, like summer residences in the Hapmtons (where they normally spend the summer anyway).

 

If you had inserted the word “daily” somewhere you would have a weak case. Currently you have none.

New York started serious disinfection of public transport the end of April. My state started the first week of March. Has nothing to do with doctors, Trump, etc. Simply one state making wise decisions and another state making stupid decisions.

Same with preparations. If NY didn’t have correct facilities it isn’t Trump’s fault. It is a failure of decades of incompetent leadership and oblivious citizens. My state again has no issues with facilities. Why, because we were wise enough to invest in them in good times. New York is touted as a liberal paradise, yet it failed on every level.

And you glory in it. Your argument remains they succeeded by killing vastly greater numbers of people at a much faster rate. Now you double down on that theory. LOL

 

In which country? I'll say it again .. GLOBAL pandemic.

Though I concede that many are making it about politics.

 

A weak case? In what universe is Florida's response to Covid 19 better than NY? I showed the graphs, I showed the numbers...

I have a great case! In which I have provided numbers, graphs, references.... you have provided... NOTHING!

 

Sorry, there is just too much readily available information backing my claim. Florida had a massive influx of New Yorkers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5227057002
Many New Yorkers left the state permanently and temporarily.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html?outputType=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...yregion/nyc-coronavirus-young-people.amp.html


You are right to some extent though. Not only did New Yorkers spread the virus out of state, they spread it around their own as well, even invading Native American lands.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...region/coronavirus-new-yorkers-leave.amp.html

I always find it fascinating when I’m accused of lying and it ends up just being ignorance on the part of the accuser.

 

The current massive numbers in FL have nothing to do with people from NY. The two articles you posted about New Yorkers traveling are from May, well before this current surge. Also, the articles you posted supply no evidence that people from NY spread the virus to other states. That’s your assumption.

 

No, I showed relevant numbers. You show irrelevant numbers. You compare NY’s best days to FL’s worst days. You ignore the fact NY has only 40% the population of Florida, yet NY posted days with 1000 fatalities while FL has yet to top 90 per day. Your comparison is analogous to you or I comparing our best performance on the basketball court to Michael Jordan’s worst stats and claiming we are better players. It’s absurd.

I provided factual specifics like disinfection of public transportation where NY failed. You mentioned ventilators earlier. I was advocating on this forum for re-evaluation of their use while Cuomo was still trying to buy more from fraudulent companies. He’s a moron.

I believe states like NY have killed and infected their way to herd immunity. I had my suspicions, but new research like this link below make me think such states are probably well over 50% herd immunity and that is responsible for what looks like success now. The vulnerable were killed off quickly, and those that remain either have antibodies or T cell immunity. I believe it’s likely we will find out eventually there are people who are exposed and just never get infected as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-immunity-covid-higher-shown.amp

 

I’ve never made the claim Florida cases came from NY. And my claim was that people left during the pandemic—March through May so my links were chosen appropriately. You should try reading my posts thoroughly. Also, one of my links gave a specific example of NY residents spreading the virus to other states. Since nobody seems to be able to read links here is a pull quote.

Another link confirmed nearly 80,000 NY citizens fled to Florida during the NY hot period. Florida attempted to quarantine them. Just going off statistics it’s possible hundreds of those 80,000 were infected. It’s illogical based on math and statistics to assume NY refugees didn’t spread disease. In fact, the genetic analysis confirms that they did. You can’t say people visiting NY for 3 days took the virus home but NY residents moving to other states didn’t spread it as well. Such a claim denies scientific findings.

 

@ECA,
Yes, all covered in the links. LOL

 

Right...you claim people from NY spread the virus to other states and mention how people from NY fled to FL. But you’re not at all insinuating people from NY spread the virus in FL. No, of course not. LOL.

 

You seem to be unaware that New York accounts for over 20% of the deaths!

 

Not today as you accused me of. I suspect it’s going in the other direction now. You do realize this is July, not March or April or May, correct?

It’s a fact confirmed by genetic analysis NY spread the virus to most of the country. I’m not sure why you think FL would somehow be an exception.

 

It would be nice if you made up your mind. Or is it a case where you’ve made up so much crap you can’t keep your stories straight. Meh...wage someone else’s time with your nonsense.

 

But you think that it's most likely the case, right?

What genetic analysis?

 

I never claimed cases today in FL came from NY. You made that up. Everything I’ve posted is factual. If you think it’s made up and the links are untrue present something to refute. You know you can’t. You have no facts, no logic, and a bunch of unsubstantiated innuendo. It’s what most people rely on today, unfortunately.

Everyone wants their opinion to matter, but they demonstrate they don’t have enough knowledge on the subject to have an informed opinion. Thanks for providing today’s demonstration of this phenomenon.

 

You say that like it will be the ONLY demonstration today!

 

This makes it sound like it came to Florida from Italy, not New York. Maybe their plane landed in New York.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/03/20/timeline-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-florida/