4 Unions Defy Joe Biden, Reach Deal to Build Keystone XL Pipeline

Looks like the Keystone XL pipeline is a go. This will inject money and jobs into the midwest, while lowering the environmental impact as some of this oil is currently being moved into the US via rail. Trump made a campaign promise to fast track this project.

Biden has historically relied on labor unions as a base of support-however he has since moved far left, and is basically telling his own union supporters that he will put them out of business permanently if he is elected.

As several swing states are located in the mid west, Bidens will have an increased challenge in winning there.

 

Didn't several police unions jump ship from the dems and endorse Trump?

 

The unions and members know who will appoint labor friendly people to the NLRB, protect prevailing wage laws, and invest in infrastructure

 

Yes they did. They endorsed Obama in 2012, with held any endorsement in 2016, and now are fully endorsing Trump.

 

Biden just told them he will put them out of work for good. Thats a real bold strategy.

 

4 years ago the CWA supported Sanders, the local president showed me the email. When he sold his soul for a house on the lake, the CWA switched to Trump because he was going not only create jobs, but bring back the ones Obama lost.

If I happened to be a union organizer and Biden wins, I'd be setting up shop in China and look for new members there. Of course, my life expectancy would be uncertain.

 

Lol the CWA didn’t endorse trump. They switched from Bernie to Hillary, because they’re not insane. And now they’ve already endorsed Joe.

 

Yes they did.

 

https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/cwa-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president?amp

 

The president of the union local is one of my techs. I'm going to see if he still has the email supporting Trump. This guy is a hard core union guy who votes straight line Democrat, and he voted for Trump based on job creation, bringing back jobs, and keeping illegals from stealing our jobs. Those are things a union guy would want, right?

 

Isn't that something an American would want?

 

You would think so but its not in the DNC platform.

Weird.

 

Biden is an environmental idiot - which is why I will be voting Red this time out - despite an intense dislike of Red policy and Trump (although not maniacal like some of our Blue brothers and sisters)

While its true that pipeline is more energy efficient than rail. This is small potatoes with respect to enviro impact.

With or without the Keystone we will use 20 million barrels of oil per day - next year. More than 40% of oil to US refineries comes from 70 different nations. We either get that oil from Canada ( and North Dakota) by pipeline - or we get it from "Nigeria"

Nigeria is a huge Ocean Polluter - Heavy Metals - Persistent organic Pollutants - so by not building the Keystone - we increase global pollution.

What we also do by purchasing from Nigeria is incentivize industrialization - this drastically increases the amount of ocean pollution and CO2. When you take someone eating a bowl of rice a day and move the to first world their consumption increased 36 times.

Moore pointed this out in his latest flick and took heavy flack from Blue - this and population growth.

 

Welcome on board the Trump train-you were always welcome. I support a clean environment and energy efficiency-its not that Im against them.

Its that we have to find realistic and practical ways to implement it.

Nigeria is up and coming, but its not going to be environmentally friendly and perhaps our actions will lessen the impact there, India too.

One thing is for sure-China does not care about any responsible energy policy.

 

I am not on the Trump Train - as Trump is a buffoon. It is just that the other side is so bad - what is reasonable informed person do ?

A study I read round a decade ago looked at consumption in China. At the time China was (11) - First world (36) - Bowl of rice a day in Africa(1)

So someone in the first world produces 36 x the amount of Carbon - and 36 times the amount of other biproducts of consumption - such as nitrogen/fertilizer which is used to grow crops to feed that cow - which is resulting in massive dead zones in the Ocean.

This is not happening 50 years from now - this is not some projection of Ocean levels rising so many inches in 50 years - this is happening right now - but CO2 is increased as well by industrialization.

The study stated that if China reached our level of consumption - world resource production would have to double - that is just China - never mind India and the rest of the world.

At the time there were 1.4 Billion people industrialized - out of 7 Billion on the planet.

So let us assume we manage to industrialize another 1.4 Billion by 2030. This would be over a period of 20 years.
The increase to the carbon and ocean pollution is massive - but the number of unindistrialized folks is 5.6 Billion - 1.4 = 4.2 Billion right ?

Wrong - in 2030 the Earths population will be 8.5 Billion - an increase of 1.5 Billion people. So although the number of industrialized people has doubled - we have not made a dent in the number of non industrialized.

This is one of the big elephants in the room that Moore brought up that the Left does not want to discuss... Industrialization/Population Growth.

The New Green Deal states "we will not export our pollution problems to other nations" but, that is exactly what not building the Keystone - or other domestic pipelines will do - along with increasing Ocean Pollution and CO2.

What is not to hate about this stupidity ?

 

Well on this we agree but for different reasons.

BTW, Im not a fan of "population control", though many leftists seem to be.

I just want to point out that people in modern post industrial societies have less children.

 

I am a huge fan of population control - just not necessarily by force. You are exactly correct that first world nations do not replace themselves - we increase population through immigration.

The increase in population then is all coming from these third world nations. When we take one of these folks "bowl of rice a day" and turn them into first world - this is equivalent to increasing the population of "rice eaters" by 36.

What we do by purchasing Oil - or other goods for that matter - from these nations is incentivize industrialization - and this is not what we want to be doing if we care about the planet.

Its not pretty - its not PC - but it is the Truth. Is it unfair to these poor rice eaters for us to not want to industrialize them - perhaps - but, the alternative is to turn the Ocean into a toxic waste dump.

Roughly 60% of our oxygen comes from the Ocean - if we hit the tipping point and the equilibrium goes out of balance - really bad things could happen - such as the Ocean producing H2S and other anaerobically generated gasses instead of Oxygen.

We can turn of the CO2 tap tomorrow (meaning reduce by a large percent) if we really had to. How are we going to filter the Oceans ?

Google "Dead Zones in the Ocean" sometime.

 

Bro we aren't creating air or CO2 like you suggest.

We are cycling the systems that assure your survival.

I am not against nations industrializing as its brings life and opportunity.

I am for making it a short period.

 

No clue what you are talking about - "creating air" ? As for CO2 - it is a fact that a first world citizen creates a whole lot more CO2 than a rice eater.

So "IF:" one is concerned about CO2 - one should not be condoning industrialization.

If you are for industrialization - you are for a massive increase to Ocean Pollution - regardless of whether the time period is short or long. Long is worse - but both are bad - and currently we are "Long" so we should definitely not be trying to industrialize these other nations.

While industrialization may bring opportunity "not sure what you mean by life" it also brings a whole lot of death due to what will happen when we mess up the oceans.

You seem to think the Ocean is a garbage can - or that the Ocean can deal with these pollutants in way the earth deals with CO2 -and this is not the case.

 

Its a closed system, more or less.

Air is what you breathe.

CO2 is the gas that was far higher in previous eras.

And our oceans and more importantly forests can cycle it.

Where we differ seems to be that you want more people to be held back in the pre industrial era (as you benefit), but I do not.

 

I believe some guy you know voted trump, but the union didn’t endorse him.

 

Jobs and rule of law over mobs and chaos. A union guy wants to drive to the job, do his job and feed his family, and not be stopped from working by rioters.

 

Not sure why you are talking about CO2 - I mentioned it only because Pipelines do not change the CO2 equation.

The issue I have been addressing is Ocean Pollution.

 

I much prefer the industrialization be here in the USA than in China because people want the products made by industrialization and are going to purchase those products, and those products should be made in the USA.

Everybody who fills up the tank supports Keystone.

 

It's not weird at all. This will create more American jobs and make people less dependent on the democrat SLAVE MASTERS