4 Unions Defy Joe Biden, Reach Deal to Build Keystone XL Pipeline

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly correct.

    And I'd argue its a strategic national security issue as well.

    Energy, in its various forms is life.

    Some can harness energy better than others.
     
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    Its massive .. Jobs will not just come from the pipeline itself - but from the whole industry apparatus that goes into filling up that pipeline - starting with the drill rig on up.

    Another idiotic argument advanced is that while the Keystone will create huge numbers of Jobs during construction - only a few jobs once in operation. This is a total lie - the pipeline itself will create quite a number of jobs - far more than the 70 or some ridiculous numbers I have heard. You have more than 70 people doing integrity digs - never mind the folks operating the thing - and all the folks in rural communities that service those digs .. loader operator .. water trucks - hydrovac - and a bunch of other stuff. these people have no clue what they are talking about.

    Then - you have all the oil activity - while up in Canada . ... uummm - didn't we own Canada time I checked ? Does Haliburton not Operate in Canada ? Does Exxon not have a refinery there - and is there not an Esso gas station (Exxon's international brand) every few blocks - right beside the McDonalds ..

    Tens of thousands of Jobs and billions into the US Economy ... Didn't Canada purchase Arizona ? Go there in the winter and tell me different.. spending that hard earned Canadian Cash in the USA .. "Nigeria" ??? not so much.
     
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    We live in interesting times.
     
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    I saw this coming. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have happened if the Democrats had let that company in Virginia and North Carolina responsibly build that natural gas pipeline. The environmental concerns that were brought up were questionable, and I can't see how building a pipeline through an area with animals is any worse than building a huge development or electrical wires. Animals could worked around a pipe, and we could have found a solution to work around the animals. That area of North Carolina and Virginia is African American, and people there have been hurting for a very long time. The population is actually going down.
     
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    Yep. In North Carolina, Democrat officials had argued in their revitalization strategy that a pipeline would completely turnaround the job market in the northeast part of the state by creating manufacturing and transport jobs. The natural gas pipeline could have supported a railroad and port, and naturally, a massive amount of jobs . A port can literally lift an area out of poverty, because other business like manufactory, tech and medicine can drastically reduce transportation costs by moving near it. Most people traveling I95 don't even stop in the city located just to the west, Rocky Mount, unless they have to take a whizz. They'd take a completely different highway to the outbreak.
     
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    Disturbing was more the descriptive adjective I was going for :)
     
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    Just obscene the number of direct jobs created - never mind indirect. The amount of wealth created - right here - in the USA - which Canada is part of - and mexico as well but we are even more integrated with Canada.

    North Dakota as well - saying - ummm - we would like to put our oil in that line por favor - rather than having to build a different pipeline.

    but Nooooo .. Lets get our oil from Nigeria from by Tanker -and kill a few more whales while we are at it - increase ocean pollution not only via shipping but because Nigeria is a huge Ocean Polluter so we are not only transferring our pollution problems to other Nations (contrary to the NGD - we will not transfer our pollution problems to other nations) but increasing overall pollution and environmental harm in a number of ways.

    OH .. but CO2 - what about Global Warming ... ... What about it - Not building the Keystone will not decrease CO2 emissions by one drop of Gas - are you going to drive less because our refinery got its feedstock from Nigeria instead of Canada ? .. Nope - we will still be using 20 million barrels of crude a day -

    but but -- what if you pollute the land - A spill on land is no big deal and easy to clean up - orders of magnitude easier than in the Ocean - also with a pipeline the spill is controlled .. you can shut off the valve very quickly.

    Rivers are more of an issue - but nothing in comparison with a spill in the ocean - and again .. you can shut off the value. Also the new lines are double walled at river crossings - with containment and monitoring .. unlike the old days when they just ran the line underneath and that was that. - so the risk is very low.

    there is no argument - it is Dumb - and Dumber. Blue is now the anti environment party - Chastizing Moore for speaking the truth about a number of Elephants in the room - including this one .. Biofuels - and the two huge problems being industrialization and population growth.
     
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