What is a racist?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Aug 16, 2020.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe racism starts when individuals use race as the sole identity. Racists can't see beyond race. They use it to divide for one reason or another.
    One race.....the Human race!!
    I consider myself a "culturist"
     
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    Have those anti-White racists ever kept you from living in the neighborhood you wanted to live in? Going to the school you wanted to go to? Working a job you wanted to work at? If they were able to keep you from doing those things, then you know how Blacks feel when they face racism.
     
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    Nobody has been doing it just to blacks since 1865. As shown in the last two videos, what blacks are doing is little more than an act. EVERYBODY is getting their chops busted, but nobody in America is having it any worse, as a race, than any other race. Everybody gets picked on. Black privilege is when they have laws that allow black people to commit a crime and it's a crime. If a white commits the crime, it is a "hate crime" and punishable by a more severe sentence. You want to do away with the race thing? Be the first to quit making it a big deal. Blacks are taking America without even having to fight for it. That's a Hell of deal.
     
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    He thinks they hold the patent.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Whaaa plenty of blacks have been prosecuted for hate crimes.
    I guess you missed the irony. Your complaints are the same African Americans have complained about for 150 years, but now women, minorities, LGBTQs, other religions want and demand a seat at the table. White male entitlement to the dominate opinion is being questioned as legitimate only to white males; the "others" opinion must be taken into consideration. Some whites (right-wingers) view this loss of power with panic. The world is changing leaving them with no voice or power. It is very far from that point, but hopefully it is a slippery slope to true equality.
     
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    My point was and is that whites have NO special seat at any table. One day you may learn that free men are not equal and equal men are not free. It is one of those ironies you have missed. And you didn't read my posts very well. I've said that everybody has had it bad. People in America (including the blacks) have had it better than other countries, but man's inhumanity to man has been color blind all the time.
     
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    Are there not laws against all of those things you mentioned?

    If anyone discriminated against colour in any of those examples I thought they would be breaking the law and be liable.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And what planet are you from?
    White men have been in charge for the last 200 plus years except for one administration that the right vowed to obstruct. As a representative of the whining, put upon right-wing you try to deflect and say everybody has had it bad. I haven't, most every white person I know hasn't. You got a taste of being discriminated against and you didn't like it. Now the country is trying to do something about that and the right doesn't like it.
     
  9. Death

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    Well stated. Its an overused term best explained as you did. Its a subjective generalization or assumption that all people in a specific category have the same qualities, beliefs, characteristics. The category when it comes to race is a fallacy or a subjective category created by people at a time where less was known about genetics. They felt secondary physical characteristics such as hair texture, nose shape, and amount of melanin in skin defined three races, negroid, caucasian and mongoloid. In fact these three race categories were subjective and based solely on physical characteristic.

    Today we know you can have a completely pale very pink-grey-green person, a coal black-purple person, a stereotype yellow toned person, and that is NOT what makes them distinct as they can have similiar dna. A coal black and lily white person can have more in common with their dna then two lily white or two coal black people.

    Disease as the Indians knew thousands of years ago was and is based on blood type and body type as well as genetics not skin colour or nose structure.

    The vast majority of people know this. Race or any word that ends with IST or ISM usually is argued in the context of accusing someone of being prejudice. Often its accusers are just as prejudice of the people they accuse of being prejudice and justify their own prejudice as a rational response to the prejudice they believe was initiated against them.

    I prefer approaches that define laws, morality, behaviour standards as being something we all must follow using the same standards. It starts with treating people the way we would want to be treated.

    I believe all religions were created to teach that but humans distort these religions to promote inequality. The fact is humans are homo sapiens. This makes us primates. Primates are pack animals. It is our basic primate instinct or primal behaviour to create packs with alpha male leaders and to define packs by our perceived pack characteristics.

    We define ourselves physically as the same or different no differently than when we walked on knuckles and competing ape packs of other humans came into our territory to seize our females and eat up or hunting grounds and food sources.

    We have not progressed that much. We tried to create religions to repress or primal pack instinct but instead our primal behaviour took over these religions and used them as a new tool to justify pack behaviour.

    Have a banana.
     
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    And what planet are you from? White men, your whipping boy have not been in charge of many areas of the planet and why did you arbitrarily pick "200" years. In certain hemispheres "whites" have been in charge a lot longer. In other hemispheres even where colonial "whites" came in, that did not constitute the majority of the actual planet where packs of humans were run not by white colonialists but people of the same tribe.

    You have a preconceived belief that racism is created by and only run by white men on the planet as you call it. You see what you want to see. Your subjective perception is no different than people who claim Chinese run the world or Indians run the world or blacks run the world.
     
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    Interesting so by your definition, whites cannot be racist. Whites can hate but they do not have the power to excersie that hate as society and laws will not stand for it. Therefore white racists are powerless and cannot be racist by your standard.

    Surely you cannot believe this?
     
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    White men have not been in charge of many areas of the planet and so arbitrarily picking "200" years as the time they might have engaged in racism is silly In certain hemispheres "whites" have been in charge a lot longer and the inhumane behaviour they engaged in was identical with fellow whites meaning it was caused by something far more complex than simply calling it racism.

    Furthermore in many hemispheres even where colonial "whites" came in, that did not necessarily constitute the majority of the actual geographic areas where packs of humans were run not by white colonialists but people of the same tribe or ethnicty.

    Racism was not just created by and only run by white men on the planet although of course we would agree European colonialism, Greek dominance, Roman dominance, Nazi dominance, had elements of racism often based with religion to justfy their systems of dominance. However Attila the Hun was not white. Neither were many of the slave traders. Slave trade in the Muslim world of non whites was wide spread and tribes in Africa and in America engaged in slavery. Egyptians were not white when they were slave traders and neither were Hebrews when they had slaves. India has had a caste system which any would argue created the equivalency of slaves. To simply try box racism with a white label is absurd. It speaks to primal behaviour all humans exhibit in pack behaviour.
     
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    Its not what he said. Why are you trying to take what he said and jam it into your preconceived assumption of all or nothing? You are close minded to the possibility that a person can be a bigot of any skin colour. You also missed his point. He is not saying anyone without power is not bigoted. He is saying and you missed the point, since we all make generalizations negative or positive, when we make the negative ones, they don't necessarily crystallize or come into play and impose discriminatory treatment until the person promulgating the racist belief has the power to impose them on others.

    The fact is your thoughts if not imposed on others are on a different level than those you can act out on others. That is all he was trying to add.
     
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    Can you rewite that again please. At the moment it's hard to understand what you're trying to say. It may be just me, but it doesn't make sence.

    Are you arguing that anyone can be a racist regardless of their background or are you saying you can only be a racist if you are able to exercise your racism?
     
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    Racism is not about whites or blacks, Republicans or Democrats. Any of you trying to jam it into such categories engage in the very same cognitive process as the very racists you claim to be against. Racism is about humans and human behaviour. It doesn't magically disappear depending on whether you are of a specific political ideology or because you skin is pale.

    The amount of racist thought expressed in challenging supposed racism on this thread speaks for itself.
     
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    Wow.

    1. Anyone can be racist.
    2. You can have discriminatory views but if you do not have the power to impose them on others they remain with you.
    3. Discriminatory thoughts can lead to behaviour that discriminates against others in a positive or negative way depending on who it effects.
    4. Human behaviour has many variables and depending in what context it is expressed it is difficult to quantify and understand.
    5. The context in which discriminatory views are put into action to impose discriminatory behaviour on others is what gives it its social meaning.
     
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    Yes I agree. If you're a racist, you're a racist. It doesn't matter what race you come from.

    I was being sarcastic with my initial reply. As he/she believes certain groups are allowed to be openly racist but they are exempt from actually being a racist
     
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    Why are you shocked? Surely you must admit it wasn't particularly well written and hard to understand.

    Apart from your shock. I can agree with points 1,2,3 and 4
     
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    i'm a "culturist", there are some cultures that I find appalling.
     
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    I was the last white student in my elementary school in Detroit.
    As young as 8 years old I was pulled off my bicycle and beaten up by gangs of Black kids and teenagers who taunted me about my skin color. This continued until I was 14 and moved to the suburbs.
    But I suppose this isn’t considered racism because whites cannot experience racism??
     
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    I find it disgusting that people believe it's ok to deny or even try to justify horrible acts of racism like you experienced.

    Mabye they do it in an attempt to justify their own acts of racism?
     
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    I’m sorry but between affirmative action and minority set asides in government contracts and preferential treatment in hiring and not firing, plus grade inflation and outright quota systems in admission to US universities, plus harsh penalties in housing discrimination, plus the exoneration of OJ Simpson after killing two whites due to fear of community outrage, plus other special privileges too numerous to mention, exactly how is the African American community disadvantaged? They are given special rights in the US. It’s no one else’s fault that they choose not to take advantage. Differences in income do not equal discrimination. As long as we keep blaming the system and right wingers in particular then no progress can be made. Some problems are internal and have to be dealt with internally.

    I agree with Mencken that saying poverty causes crime is a slander on the poor. It’s an excuse. I wasn’t allowed to make excuses so why should others be allowed to?
     
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    I can't remember my birth, so no comment on the planet I'm from.

    All B.S. aside IF white men were in charge of this country, some serious arse would have been kicked when the statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were desecrated by mobs. Regardless of what we thought of either man, they were important parts of our country's history.

    If you had actually READ this thread, I am not right wing. Furthermore, I don't care if people call me racist and I it don't bother me when people march through the streets with Black Lives Matter signs. I'm a person who deals in facts rather than emotion when discussing political subject matter. And the thing that bothers me about threads like this (as if I don't point it out continually) is that America was founded by white people for the advancement, preservation and protection of the white people. Here is part of our first naturalization law only months after the ratification of the Constitution of the United States:

    "United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..." (emphasis on the race part mine, of course).

    Nobody seems to mind the fact that North Korea, South Korea, Japan, China, Zimbabwe, and about a dozen other countries are over 98 percent homogeneous. So, we seem to be okay with races having a right to self determination... just not in the United States. So, of course, it was intended for whites to be in charge of this country. White people don't owe anyone an apology for that. You make it sound like there is some inherent sin in a given people having their own country. At the same time, you go to the store and purchase products from countries wherein over 98 percent of the people look alike, think alike, and do not cater to blacks. The United States opened up their doors to minorities. Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy, never allowing Christians to practice their religion in public. They are our allies; we send soldiers to fight and die if necessary for them. We're tolerant of them. But, that tolerance does not extend to our own borders and acknowledge the unalienable, God given Rights of white people.

    Unlike the countries I've mentioned, although the United States was founded by whites and for the preservation, protection and advancement of whites, we allowed people to come here from every country on the globe to partake of the free market system. Then we went into wars to secure and protect the Rights and Liberties of other people in foreign countries. We supplied most of the missionaries. Fact is in 2010 the United States sent out 127,000 missionaries and 32,400 came into the United States. while the next country closest to us in the number of missionaries is Brazil and they sent out 34,000, but received 20,000. No other countries match us in terms of our sacrifices, benevolence, and charity. Somehow you find that those people, willing to that, are not entitled (as other countries) to have their own homeland.
     
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    Well it’s because some feel violence is understandable (at least a couple of the members here have expressed that this is justice of sorts) when people have been “oppressed” for a long time. Lots of other groups in the US have been put upon but it seems like African Americans want a special right to victimization. I hate to say this but I simply cannot think of any cause African Americans have ever undertaken that serves any other group than themselves while other groups helped them in their civil rights struggles and to this day.
    Notice that it is Black Lives Matter. Pretty specific appellation. In some situations, saying All Lives Matter is considered a sort of disrespect to African Americans.
     
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    Just like to note.. the problem the Right had with BHO was he was RED, not that he had darker skin.
     
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