Whether BLM protests are violent or not is NOT the question

They question is whether or not their demands are justified.

If they are not justified, then the right has nothing to worry about. It'll be like the Tea Party protests. Where people just went out to ... protest... Without actually understanding why. They just wanted the "government out of my medicare"... And then they went away.

But if they are justified, this is not going away. So this is the question: are their demands justified? Do black people have a right to not be scared sh...less every time they are pulled over by a cop?

It is a fact that black people are disproportionately more likely to be stopped by police
https://5harad.com/papers/100M-stops.pdf
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reprints/2007/RAND_RP1253.pdf

That despite the fact that they are less likely to be found carrying contraband than whites, they are searched more frequently.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-searches-20190605-story.html
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf
https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/top...es-blacks-more-finds-contraband-on-them-less/
https://www.startribune.com/black-d...rches-during-routine-traffic-stops/572029792/

And that blacks are disproportionately more likely to be killed at a traffic stop than whites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/?tid=a_inl_manual

And, in general, lethal force is more likely to be used against blacks
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

The question is not if racial profiling is happening in police stops, searches, shootings and dead. That's a proven fact. The question is if black people are justified in demanding this to stop.

If they are justified, protests will not stop. Hopefully they will continue being non-violent.

People who have a legitimate demand will, for the most part, protest non-violently. BLM has
managed to keep most ot their protesters that way. They will turn violent only when they feel they are left with no other choice. BLM gives them the choice to be non-violent. So yes... BLM is the alternative to violent protests. If this choice is removed, they will turn violent. Make no mistake about it.

And if you think these protests are violent... you have a lot to learn.

This is why I support BLM. Because they are the only organization keeping protests from exploding into full violence. Black people in this country have a legitimate beef to settle. But so long as there is BLM, we have a chance to redress their grievances peacefully.

 

It is two separate questions and you cannot divorce one from the other. These "peaceful" demonstrations have too often resulted in violence and looting. They are destroying their cities. And then top of it they want to defund the police. The residents should not have to fear for their life and their property in the name of peaceful protests.

The protests are resulting in more lives lost than what they are protesting.

I believe black lives matter, but I also believe that blue lives matter and all lives matter.

 

Do I sense a bit of white guilt in the OP?

 

The Tea Party were truly peaceful protesters. Not one brick thrown and usually left the place cleaner than they found it.

 

Well... sure. That's the point.

This has nothing to do with looting.

 

A difficult claim to support given that the protesting is so often occurring in conjunction with the looting. The crossover between protesters and looters is substantial enough that the movement necessarily suffers from it, yet they have taken no measures to try and separate themselves from it, and in fact support it to a degree, evidensed by some BLM organizers attempting to re-narrate the looting as 'wealth redistribution'.

 

Therefore, institutional racism in the police is destroying their cities.

Regardless of whatever it is Trump is telling you (and you believing), protesters have no interest in destroying cities. They just want the same rights white people have.

 

ummmm, they have them. And it looks like they are pretty damned interested in burning and stealing whatever they get their hands on.

they are also burning whatever chances Biden had at becoming the next president. Darn.

 

That is the most ridiculous excuse. And the only purpose is to chance the subject and not have to deal with the one and only real question.

Many things happen during the protests: public nudity, white supremacists with guns shooting protesters, police pushing and flogging people who just come up to talk to them, ... None of that is relevant to what the protesters or BLM seeks.

The only thing relevant is that they want the same rights that white people enjoy. And the only question that matters is whether or not they are entitled to it or not. If they are, they damn well better get it. Because violence only shows its face when people who have a legitimate demand that affects them and their family are left with no other choice. At this point BLM is that choice.

These protests aren't "organized" by BLM. Anybody who believes that they are is completely mistaken. The role of BLM is to take the justifiable rage that these people have, and tone it down as much as possible. The protests will happen... BLM or no BLM. They would just be more violent without them.

 

Is it your contention that because one has a gun they are white supremacist's?

 

And there are provocateur's who will take full advantage of a situation and work hard to spin it and frame it to their advantage.

 

Thats quite a twist... The notion that black people would be more violent without some trained marxists coralling them is whats ridiculous. The crossover between protesters and looters is substantial enough that the movement necessarily suffers from it, yet they have taken no measures to try and separate themselves from it, and in fact support it to a degree, evidensed by some BLM organizers (as they call themselves) attempting to re-narrate the looting as 'wealth redistribution'.

If they were against it, they would denounce it and try to separate from it, not try to justify and reframe it.

 

Hurry up and defund the police.

 

I would find it a safe assumption that people who travel miles and bring guns to a BLM protest are white supremacists.

 

So you decided to go with the Trumpian tactic to make up nonsense (the more absurd... the better) so as to avoid responding to the one and only question that has any value in all of this.

You made your choice....

 

I never asked if one travelled with a gun. I get your mentality now.

 

This protester might have a point....

 

I agree the notion that protesters would be more violent without self described 'trained marxists' 'keeping protests from exploding' (your claim, not Trump's) is nonsense. Im quoting you and BLM activists here, not Trump...

The crossover between protesters and looters is substantial enough that the movement necessarily suffers from it, yet they have taken no measures to try and separate themselves from it, and in fact support it to a degree, evidensed by some BLM organizers (as they call themselves) attempting to re-narrate the looting as 'wealth redistribution'.

If they were against it, they would denounce it and try to separate from it, not try to justify and reframe it.

 

Yes he does. Democratic leadership is a shitshow. If the world didn't know this 6 months ago, they know it now. They ain't happening in conservative communities.

 

The lack of police protection allowed them to destroy the cities. It was not institutional racism in the police.

It makes no difference whether they have an interest in destroying the city, that is what is happening when you keep the police from stopping it.

The democrats might try to sell all that as a campaign issue, but the nation saw what happens when you don't allow the police to stop it.

 

Explain how black millionaire athletes, entertainers, politicians, business owners and artists are oppressed? If they were, they wouldn’t be millionaires. They wouldn’t become president either. Same rights. Same opportunities. Even more opportunities when you consider AA. Low and Middle class white people are never given anything. Low and middle class blacks are given scholarships, loans, organizations, special funds, and countless other boosts that no other race gets, besides maybe Hispanics.

 

What rights?

 

Institutional racism by police in liberal cities? How did that happen, who’s responsible for that?

All you’re trying to do is deflect and possibly defend the rioting, looting, arson, assaults and murders by blm.

 

Absurdist nonsense. Of course it matters whether or not they are violent. Tea party protesters left the area they protested in cleaner than they found it. The jackasses you support destroy everything they touch including your damn party if you don't pull your head out.

 

90 % of them are white dude. And the minimal number of black people who are there have the same rights as white people.