Anti-mask protests

I don’t argue with science. Wearing a mask helps with a variety of issues in a variety of ways. Judges are not infallible. I just filed against one with the Commission on Judicial Conduct and the Department of Justice...

 

awesome as I too have contacts in multiple hospitals, none of which have been even close to being overwhelmed and I've watched a virus become politicized. I see the use of the term "covidiot" used quite often within this forum against anyone who cites facts that differ from the message being pushed by the media.

I'm with you on the virus being politicized but I suspect that we see it differently. I've no dog in the political fight as both "sides" just so happen to be on the same coin.

I have finally heard of the first victim from Covid whom I personally knew. He was grossly overweight and a lifetime smoker with diabetes.

I've been able to see reports from hospitals and the % of inpatient covid cases with co-morbidities is in excess of 95% in each instance.

Feel free to re-read that. These are not healthy folks to start. Yet, here we are killing people's livelihoods over a virus that may ultimately claim the lives of a small fraction of 1% of the population.

 

The police were called, but they were gone by then.

They are just starting to understand the consequences. Have you not been paying attention to the higher percentage of perfectly healthy people who now have lifelong heart, kidney, lung and brain conditions?

 

Yes there a few good men are now starting to stand up to this total idiocy, embraced by the DNC media.

This guy is so strong, they can't even keep their arms on him and the little guy gets ready to taze him? Bravo to the lady too. You can tell the one that never looks up called it in.

 

I keep wondering how in the world we got to this place where protecting oneself and others was a political statement.

Maybe if we rephrase it.

For the Gun Lover: Only thing that stops a bad pandemic without a mask is a good guy with a mask.
For the Mom: Mothers Against Disease Distributors - Wear a mask!
For the Sports Lover: Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be common. - Wear a Mask

 

So you're fine with your dentist treating you without a mask if he so chooses. And if you need surgery, the surgical staff can choose to do the same. Okay. The dark ages still exist for some.

 

Huh?

masking up isn't going to save the lives of those with comorbidities who continue to go out and about and touch everything, rub their faces and eyes

A mask is a false sense of security but it gives the wearer a sense of doing something, albeit useless

How is that I must mask up when walking to a table in a restaurant but no mask needed when at the table? Does covid not exist below 5 feet?

Appearances and false sense of security

 

There is a little logic to the restaurant mask request.

As you walk to your table, you are passing other tables, which are surfaces below your mouth and nose. Droplets are subject to gravity (at least for the moment) and will go down...

There is also a small, repeat small benefit to the masks, but yes, I agree the majority is the idea of it.

 

I think it's the latter.

 

Small benefit to masks? Does that hold true for the folks performing open heart surgery? I mean we might as well go all in.

 

False sense of security while wearing a mask is a problem. I don't recommend that. People need to be just as vigilant and keep the other measures going such as social distancing and washing hands, etc., even if they have a mask. I'd add goggles too but it's an uphill battle. It's specially important to keep the other measures if the person is wearing a low performing mask like a cloth mask. But from this to say they are useless is just not true, according to abundant science I've posted multiple times.

About restaurants, I guess the rationale is that if you are walking in and out and getting close to people then you need a mask, but once you sit down at your table which supposedly is already distanced from other tables, you take it off because it's impossible to eat or drink with one. But it is also true that this increases the risk and restaurants have been named as one of the riskier environments. They are allowing restaurants with lower capacity and distanced tables to keep them afloat, but personally I've stopped going to restaurants all together. I do order take out to help the local restaurants.

 

It's definitely not the only difference. The flu doesn't do to the endothelium, what Covid does. Covid is WAAAAY more dangerous than the flu, as much as people want to deny it. There is a growing list of complications that survivors of Covid can have and people who had the flu do not.

 

fear mongerer is when the danger is imaginary. This one is very real. You're just not equipped to understand the danger like I am.

 

Do you call an odds ratio drop to 0.15 a small benefit? It's not small. I think you were the one who asked for the evidence, I got home and posted it for you, did you see it?

Now, where you are correct, is that the masks people have been wearing and especially the way they've been wearing them, the benefit is small or non-existing. I very often see people wearing the mask under their nose. That doesn't help. I don't know what they are thinking. They are walking around not talking, with the mask covering their mouth only, which at that point is shut, but the nose is uncovered and they are breathing through it... it's hard to think of something as boneheaded. Sigh...

But the correct mask, worn correctly, does deliver a big benefit.

Regarding restaurants, I agree.

 

I'm glad that you order take out because the hospitality business has been devastated as has businesses which service hospitality

Now let's consider the take-out

arrive at restaurant, the avg person dons the same useless home-made mask that they've worn for months
mask wearer boldly walks into restaurant, stares intently at anyone who comes within 6 feet of them. Then, they walk up, and with bare hands, grab their order.

They then head back to car, doff useless mask, open the bag which has been touched by lots of people and to this day, they still don't know how long covid spew survives on surfaces. They then check the order, and with now cross contaminated hands, grab cell phone because they haven't sent a text or updated Facebook in 3 minutes and are having withdrawals. Then they scratch the itch on their nose with cross-contaminated hands

Upon arriving home, they NEVER EVER eat from the containers (yeah right) which have been cross contaminated. They put food onto plates and serve to family. Then, granny enters room and sees empty packages and she touches contaminated packaging to throw away

10 days later they test positive for covid (perhaps) and wonder how since they mask up!!!!!! Solution-demand govt shut down restaurants rather than realize that their false sense of security of masking up was their downfall

look to Australia and lockdown 2.0

virus is going to do what virus is going to do. No lockdowns or mask mandates will cure this

immunity is our best hope much like with all viruses

 

They are thinking that they wish to be able to breathe decently... I wear mine below my nose at work, as I enjoy being able to breathe decently... Outside of work (and health care), I refuse to wear a mask. I regularly go into stores without wearing one, despite the mask mandate in my State.

 

Do surgeons wear cloth masks? I have never had to deal with a surgeon, so I don't know first hand.

 

That is not the point. Anti-maskers are not arguing the content of the mask...they are arguing the necessity and benefits period!

 

People who choose not to educate themselves are an issue. We can't fix stupid, not matter what the topic. I'm not sure how that relates to nobody should wear them, because some aren't doing it properly.

For us, when we get take-out from the local places, we have it delivered, no-contact. They ring the bell. When we get the food, we immediately unpack it and take it out of the containers and onto the plate. THEN, we thoroughly wash our hands.

This is how I assume most people are doing it. MOST people are taking it seriously, IMO.

Having the food delivered is another way to get some cash to the people who need it. We have been extra generous with our tipping, since March.

 

You already have a mask on so what's the big deal. It adds to the mystery - use it to your advantage.

 

masks should be required in all public buildings and establishments of interstate commerce.

no mask? go away!!!

 

Excellent points. Of course it's not what *I* do. In my town we have an initiative for curbside contactless take-out on main street where most of our restaurants are. I approach the site with my full N95 and goggle. Open remotely the trunk of my SUV. Call up the restaurant and say I'm outside. The guy comes and puts the food in the trunk. I've already paid (and lavishly tipped) by credit card. I remotely close the trunk, and drive home. Get the food, open the package not touching anything inside. Discard the package. Wash my hands for 20 seconds (never for a moment I've touched my face or my N95 or goggles before sanitizing my hand - I am 100% self-compliant with this). Then I transfer the food to my own dishes. Discard the container. Wash my hands again. Then I remove my PPE and for good measure get hand sanitizer on my hands and rub them. Reheat the food in my electric oven. Eat.

I also order delivery. I either have already paid by credit card or or I leave the money outside on a bench in my porch. Give instructions for the delivery man to leave the food on the bench, get the money, and leave. I wait five minutes for any lingering aerosol to disperse with the outside winds. Then I go get the package, and handle it the same way as above.

Yes, lockdowns won't do away with the virus. I'm not for mask mandates either. But I'm for being very prudent and taking all measures one can take to protect oneself and the community, until we wait for the vaccine.