Propaganda industry profits nicely, Anonymous document leak

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  1. Eleuthera

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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    When everything the American people, and the British people, think is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

    The White Helmets and Bellingcat have been laughing for years at how credulous the American people are, and the British people.
     
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    That's why we need a good dose of Chinese press. And Russian news. And North Korean bulletins.
    The Truth is out there.
     
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    Yes, and American news, and British news, and whistleblowers such as Assange and Snowden, and forums such as these, and certain aspects of social media, because somewhere deep in the middle of all of that chaotic mess awaits the truth, and without actual transparency provided to the people who seek such enlightenment, we are left with just pieces to the complex puzzle that is "modern" humanity. But each piece is important, whichever way you decide to sum up its parts.
     
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    The "truth" isn't too hard to see. Millions vote with their feet to come live in Western societies,
    we have "largely" conquered infectious diseases; the working class have a better standard of
    living than monarchs had just 200 yeas ago; we don't suffer from the violence of hunter gatherer
    societies; we change our leaders if we don't like them and so on, so on.
    That's the truth we should be interested int.
     
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    I dont understand how this relates to using the sources available to us in an attempt to understand the intricacies of human entanglement, and behavior in today's society.

    It sounds like you are saying that you don't really care about puzzling together the complexities of human affairs, and instead, as long as your perception is that your country is providing you with the things you mentioned, then everything is OK and you don't need to question or be privy to the methods and movements which placed you there. If so, cool. Use your eyes how you wish, thats your freedom as a conscious and intelligent being. My point is that in all of this information laid before us, there is an element of deep rooted truth about these things sitting there, whether its a left piece, right piece, red, blue, or black and white, these pieces are important. They tell a story and some people want to read it.

    To state on the topic, it would be very interesting to see the whole scope of this story. A study into exactly what was involved, who are the people (not just countries, but the people as well) making these moves, the cause and effect, the methods used and if these methods are used against other people in other countries, domestic or not, would be quite interesting to me. I would like to know more.
     
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    Let's not forget the Iranian state-owned-and-controlled PressTV, the propaganda outlet that employed Galloway. If anyone understands propaganda, and knows how to the bend truth and avoid uncomfortable facts, that's Galloway.

    Two propaganda outlets of repressive regimes - Russia and Iran, both heavily invested in Syria - join forces through Galloway to accuse the thriving British democracy of being worse than they are. Oh, the irony!

    Yes, the Truth is out there, perverting minds and souls. I'm grateful for posters like you, who keep their wits and don't surrender, but I'm afraid many others don't even click on the links to check for themselves. This is what propaganda counts on - the mob mentality.
     
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    ~ For the most part U.S. "news" has become part of the entertainment industry - especially political news.
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    When a society rails against its own culture then that culture is weakened. If we wring out hands
    because of our involvement in SE Asia, for instance, that just strengthens China. And we hate our
    Christian heritage that just strengthens Islam in its anti-Western push. We see our armed forces as
    "militarist," our security organizations as spies upon us, our industries as 'corporatist' and 'greedy'
    and so on. The end result is we strengthen those nations and ideologies that really embody these
    accusations.
     
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    I understand that strategy, and the importance to the strategy to garnish domestic opinion such as yours, but i can't agree to any philosophy based on ignorance, especially in a world full of scientific method and the communication capabilities available to us.

    I feel that if your opinion was that of the majority, then there should be no reason that transparency isn't provided to the people whose efforts, taxes and voting powers ultimately decide the method of approach. Unless of course these things actually hold no power, in which case the fundamental principles that the state's system is founded on becomes void, and every worker, soldier, or any other citizen contributing to the system, is giving away large portions of their lives to a facade.

    I dont believe in the "its us or China" mentality. I believe there needs to be an overall humanity component to these decisions. Without transparency to humanity, then we are left with putting faith in the people making significant decisions such as in SE Asia, and then accept that whomever "they" are, know better then humanity itself. To put faith in these people, and then to accept that what they tell you isnt exactly true, but its ok because i live longer and have the privilege of access to vitamins, viagra, vicodin, or any other foreign pharmaceutical products, kind of seems like taking a step backwards away from the part of humanity that got us here. The who, what, when, where and why's of existence.
     
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    No one is railing against their culture when they try to correct the faults of their society. Do you think those who opposed Adolph Hitler were railing against their own culture? Or those who went against Lenin and Stalin were railing against their own culture?
     
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    I always knew that the White Helmets, Bellingcat and also the Syrian Observatory were MI6 constructs. What amazed me was how they would create the fake organization and then give them credibility by quoting them. The deception is unbelievable. :roll:

    The British have also created 'Integrity Initiative' which is anything but, and the foreign policy of 'Strategic Ambiguity', so that non factual accusations can be impressed into people's minds by using expressions like: 'We believe so', or 'it appears to us', etc.



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    I'm singing now a wondrous song
    To tell the world that right is wrong
    and what you thought was naught before
    was just a lie that you had bought -
    from us. Jeannette

     
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    Why are you surprised by that?

    That is a common trick in propoganda that goes back at least as far as Nazi Germany.

    Indeed, the entire tea party movement was run by a handful of fake tea party groups that were, in fact, fronts for DC lobbying firms and corporate right wing political action groups (Koch and Heritage).

    The Russians flooded your in box with fake news from fake websites designed to look legitimate to either the unquestioning mind, or appeal to the sort of mind that embraces conspiracy theories.

    You’re the ideal target for this sort of operation!
     
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    Are you saying that the White Helmets that are connected to Al Nusra and committing genocide against Christians are the same as UN peacekeepers? The genocide of Christians averaged 300 a day, mostly in Syria although the number includes terrorists in Africa and Far East.

    The one on the right with the white cap, is the camera man for the White Helmets. I've seen him in other videos. Had he not popped up on this video, the pressure was so strong and deceptive, that they were ready to award the White Helmets the Noble Peace Prize.

     
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    To add to my post, we as well as the British government were supporting the White Helmets.
     
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    Sure, lots in Russia ca 1900 railed against their imperialist, monarchical and Orthodox society.
    The result was the Soviet empire, complete with a new trinity of Marx, Engels and Lenin. And
    complete with appalling brutality. By the 1930's you could say that old Russia had been effectively
    demolished under Communist collectivization.
     
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    Don't forget the EFF in South Africa, responsible for brutal white farmer murders
     
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    Likely you didn't read the article. :blahblah:
     
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    I like your poetry Jeannette. Yes, for decades at least we have lived in times of universal deception.

    The fiasco in Syria, including the millions of displaced people causing so much trouble in Europe, has been caused by the US and European powers doing the dirty work for Israel in causing war in Syria.

    MH17 and all the Syrian misinfo was facilitated by Bellingcat and White Helmets, paid by US and British taxpayers.
     
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    I agree with everything you say even the dirty work for Israel, although I don't see an alternative as long as Iran is in Syria, and as long as Iran's intent is to restore Palestine to Islam. If the Iranians would shut up and stop the threats, and if they would keep away from the areas that are a threat to Israel, then maybe something could be done to help Syria. The people shouldn't be suffering like this.

    What Iran has though, is every right to protect the Shia Arabs in Syria East of the Euphrates from the theft of their lands and wealth. The intent of Washington's think tank/lobbyists, is to drive a wedge between Syria and Iran by creating an Israeli friendly Kurdistan in Syria's oil and gas rich areas.

    To do this, Washington has to change the demographics by forcing out the indigenous Arabs, and replacing them with non indigenous Kurds. I don't doubt that the ethnic cleansing of Kurds by the Turks in Syria, was facilitated by the Americans troops when they pulled out, so they would resettle in the areas Washington has planned for a future Kurdistan.

    As for the Golan Heights, the proper solution would have been for Israel not to annex it, but to lease the territory from Syria for 50 plus years. Israel does need it for its security. They could then pay Syria by splitting the profit from its oil and gas. Even if Israel was to agree with such an arrangement, it could only happen if Iran ceased to be a threat.

    Honestly, everything seems to go right back to Iran, and its Islamic quest to regain its Holyland.
    Anyway this is my opinion from what I know.
     
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    Persia has every right to exist in peace as does Israel.

    The dishonest players on the stage are Israel and the US.
     

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