This election is NOT about Biden.

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's about Trump.

    If you want to do a list of Trump's sins compared to Biden's, well, Biden will look like a choir boy compared to Trump.

    What kind of man is Donald Trump?

    Donald Trump in February, 2000, around the time that a dispute over their father's will led Trump and two of his siblings to cut off health-care coverage for his nephew's chronically ill child who has cerebral palsy. Trump decided that 1/5 of his Father's estate wasn't enough, since his brother passed away, if he cut his brother's inheritance from his father's will, he could get 1/4 of the estate.
    He managed, while his father was in a state of mental impairment, on his death bed, Trump got him to change a codicil in the will removing his brother's estate from inheriting 1/5. When his brother's heirs sued, Trump cut off health care to his nephew, who was severely ill, as retribution.

    The senseless cruelty of Donald Trump
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trumps-cruel-streak/501554/

    This election is not about Biden, it is a referendum of Donald Trump, and all this crap about Hunter Biden is not getting traction, no one cares. Compared to Trump, Biden is a choir boy. What the nation cares about is the country is going in the wrong direction.

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    What kind of man is Donald Trump?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/us/migrant-children-separated.html
    Parents of 545 Children Separated at the Border Cannot Be Found

    What kind of man is Donald Trump?


    Trump corruption
    https://prospect.org/power/mapping-corruption-donald-trump-executive-branch/
    Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump’s Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes: The Complete Listing (So Far): Atrocities 1-546 - McSweeney’s Internet Tendency

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ney-how-trump-made-millions-selling-condos-to

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-takeaways.html

    https://www.vox.com/2020/10/21/21525326/trump-family-hunter-biden-corruption-explained

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/opinion/trump-corruption.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/trump-has-different-definition-corruption/615802/

    Ivanka secured millions of dollars worth of trademarks from China which she uses to hawk merchandise there, and she did this during the time daddy was negotiating with China. Jared got a $500 million bailout from QATAR, but for father-in-law being president,he surely wouldn't have gotten.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...n-china-after-trump-was-elected/#249735e41d60

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ivan...ent-works-zte-deal_n_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...do-business-overseas-as-president-slams-biden

    Trump pocketed $15.8 million from a Chinese Intel. Front Group

    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...has-ties-group-chinese-military-intelligence/

    We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties

    https://www.propublica.org/article/political-and-taxpayer-spending-at-trump-properties-16-1-million

    Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.htm

    All this crap about Biden reveals the stunning hypocrisy of the right.

    As for whom I'm going to vote, I can think of 220,000 reasons to vote
    against Trump.
     
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    I totally agree that this election is all about Trump. Biden just happens to be his opponent. It seems most folks had their minds made up way back in May as to who they'll vote for in 2 weeks. Biden has been at 48-51% in the polls since then, rarely higher or lower. Trump also has been steady, 41-43% rarely going above or below. After four years of Trump's obnoxious and uncouth personality, his childish behavior of name calling and throwing of temper tantrums like a spoiled four year old brat, his third grade schoolyard bullying tactics, all of that has had four years to grate on folks.

    So much so that all but around 8% of the public made up their minds about this upcoming election 6 months ago. Biden is nothing more than the anti-Trump candidate, not being Trump should be enough to win come November.
     
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    ahh yes, Biden the Choir boy and savior of blacks

    https://nusfeed.com/2020/10/21/10-e...ory-of-racially-charged-conduct-and-comments/

    1. As recently as June of 2019, Biden praised the “civility” of the segregationist senators he worked with in Congress to pass anti-busing legislation.

    2. Biden praised the notorious segregationist politician George Wallace, boasted about how Wallace once honored him with an award in 1973, and told a Southern audience in 1987 that “we [Delawareans] were on the South’s side in the Civil War.”

    3. Biden opposed busing in the 1970s and expressed fears that it would lead to a “racial jungle.”

    4. Biden voted to protect the tax-exempt status of private segregated schools.

    5. Biden told black radio host Charlamagne tha God, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    6. Biden told the Asian and Latino Coalition of Des Moines that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

    7. While delivering remarks before a black audience in Delaware, Biden launched into a meandering story about a gang leader named Corn Pop and claimed that he “learned about roaches” while working at a community pool in a black neighborhood.

    8. In 2008, Biden referred to then presidential candidate Barack Obama as “the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

    9. In 2006, Biden told C-SPAN, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    10. Biden falsely claimed to have “marched” in the civil rights movement.

    lets not forget about all the shady burisma stuff too!
     
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    Like I said, compared to Trump, Biden is a choir boy.

    But, of course, that fact eludes you.
     
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    He is still the lesser of evils for those who value the fruits of their labor and their second amendment rights. I respect Democrats for having good hearts, but results show who people support Trump.
     
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    So, zero acknowledgement of his racism? I guess its a "if I pretend it doesn't exist, then it doesn't sort of thing"? Very similar to how you guys treat the "peaceful" protests.

    SAD!

    it is fun to watch libs choke on their own words though, please keep entertaining me. You are doing a TREMENDOUS job!
     
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    Results? Farms are tanking, farms are having trouble getting produce to market, farmer suicides are up.

    Inflation is up due to the tariffs, the economy is far worse now because of Trump's incompetence on covid, which has led
    to 220,000 mostly avoidable deaths.

    Deficits are careening to hitherto unseen heights, within the first term, deficits tripled
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonath...t-years-shortfall-cbo-estimates/#d545fec49c7c

    The top 1% now have $34 trillion in wealth (40%), compared to the bottom half which has only $2 trillion ( 2.35%)

    Yeah, results for the superrich, and that is about it.
     
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    Like i said, COMPARED TO TRUMP, Biden is a choir boy.

    Ignoring Trump's corruption and criminality and arguing against Biden is stunning hypocrisy on the right.
     
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    Awesome! Thanks for proving my point yet again!
     
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    Concern for the deficit/debt ends the moment they gain power. Trump is no better than the dems on that issue. In CA, the gap between the rich and poor is huge. Trump/Repubs have no voice in CA. If Dem super majority control, high taxes, and gun control created a thriving, healthy, and safe society, I would be a Democrat. Results show the exact opposite.

    This election reminds me of the South Park episode where they had to either vote for a giant doosh or a turd sandwich.

    I agree with you on Trump. He is awful. He is just slightly less awful than the other side.
     
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    I'm not voting for Biden

    I"m voting AGAINST Trump,

    That means I don't care who is running against Trump, he's getting my vote because I'm voting AGAINST Trump.

    A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin and the destruction of liberal democracy.

    Capiche?

    Right over your head.
     
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    Trump is a threat to liberal democracy, and that, by default, makes him the worst president in history.

    dems would not have enacted the tariffs.

    dems would not have pulled out of the Paris accord, or the trade bill that Obama, and other nations, had been working on for a few years, which,
    pulling out of it gave china a tremendous advantage.

    Dems will fix the ACA, they will not repeal it. Trump has no replacement.
    If he ends the ACA, it will take at least 2 years to put together another bill that
    both houses will pass. the ACA took 14 months, and another 2 years before the roll out. In the entire history as long as I can remember, repubs have not put together a health care plan, well, nixon and kennedy couldn't agree on one.
    Nixon, but that is the only thing we hear of health care from repubs, they wouldn't be talking about health care but for Obama. Now Trump wants to 'save preexisting conditions' yet he is working right now to kill the ACA, which will kill preexisting conditions.

    Before Covid, CA had a multibillion dollar surplus. It is also the 5th largest economy in the world, including nations,
    so, welcome to the Democratic party.

    I became a democrat in the 80s after researching the stats of dems vs repubs, the stats favor dems, in most categories.
    www.presidentialdata.org
     
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    I think most votes will be against a candidate. How does Putin benefit from Trump? The only benefit I can see is a weaker America. Division makes us weak and people on both sides appear to be doing Putins bidding. I voted against Trump as well.
     
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    This election is NOT about Biden.
    Agreed. On the surface, it's all about Trump. But beneath that surface, it's about preserving the Constitution & our American individual rights against an autocratic President who values neither. :democrat:
     
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    That only proves my point:

    CA cities were on the brink of insolvency before Covid. Having the 5th largest economy combined with having the highest taxes makes our poverty, crumbling roads, and poor performing schools even more inexcusable.

    CA is the poverty capitol of the US.
    The gap between the rich and poor is huge and there are few left in the middle.
    Businesses are fleeing CA to more business friendly states.
    Schools rank with the lowest.
    Second amendment rights severely trampled.

    Your comment on Trump being a threat to liberal democracy is emotional and baseless.

    If high taxes created a thriving, healthy society, I would be a Democrat. Results speak for themselves.
     
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    I live in Los Angeles. Dems are in complete control here. Care to discuss constitutional rights?
     
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    Sure. But I'm acutely aware of discrepancies in both recognizing & enforcing American rights in various sections of this nation. I've lived in the South, Middle Atlantic, West, & Southwest sections personally, & know there are differences in each. Also, every individual has their own set of preconceived "personal rights," & they don't always agree with other's concepts of the same thing.
     
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    The constitution is clear on the second amendment and the infringement is not just my perception. Other abuses of power are subject to interpretation. Living where Dems enjoy a super majority, Trump is the lesser of evils on this issue.
     
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    You're voting for Biden too. You can frame it however you want, but when you pull that lever, or fill out that ballot, and you select Joseph Biden for President, you are voting for Joe Biden.

    I don't blame you for voting that way. Trump is a disaster. And Biden certainly knows how to conduct himself like an adult.

    But as has come to light, he's corrupt too. That's one of the many things wrong with Trump, and one of the many reason Trump supporters have no standing to attack Biden over it.

    But if you vote for Biden, you're knowingly voting for a corrupt man, and that's exactly what Trump supporters did in 2016. Yeah, some of them may have framed it the same way you did, they were voting against Hillary Clinton. But you can't vote against someone without voting for a different someone. And if that someone has the same defects as the person you're voting against, what exactly are you even doing with your vote?

    I'm voting for Tulsi Gabbard. I hope Biden wins because Trump needs to go, but my vote is goes to candidates that best reflect my views and has the type of character that I think a President should have. I urge you do to use your vote in the same manner.
     
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    Ya, Trump is a jerk, so lets elect someone who will get us into more wars but talks nicer on TV.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    As a non-gun owner, I have a different perspective. While I have no issue with the 2nd Amendment, or those who want to own guns, I do have an issue with open access to automatic weapons. I live in an open carry state, & every time I see someone with a pistol on their hip, I get nervous chills. Who knows what mental state that carrier might be in? When I see someone carrying an automatic weapon, like an AK-47, or similar, I get cold chills. It makes me feel like I've been teleported to the Middle East. It's NOT a relaxing or soothing feeling. For me, the 2nd Amendment isn't an issue, but automatic weapons are. But honestly, I don't vote based on this issue. There are other issues that take priority.
     
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    Since Trump had a son in Iraq, I doubt he's anxious to get us involved in another war.
     
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    I'm voting for the guy, who, in terms of practical reality, has the best chance of removing Trump from office.

    There is only one candidate that can do that. And that is Biden

    I'm not an ideologue. I vote pragmatic. Any vote or anyone but Biden helps trump.

    And no, I don't believe Biden is corrupt. Everyone has some grey area **** in their lives, but that doesn't equal corruption.

    I Believe Biden is a good man. I haven't seen evidence of corruption, I mean real corruption, like Trump, Agnew, Blagojevich.
     
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    Trump doesnt want a war because he wants to spend in the economy.

    Biden prolly doesnt want a war, but he's not going to get in the way of the MIC starting one for us.

    Trump is the one that does that.
     
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    High taxes on working class people are burdensome, but high taxes on the very rich, well, the 50s were some of the most prosperous times, here is a detailed study. It's all data. Draw your own conclusions

    http://benl8.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-1950s-and-today.html

    CA has the most homeless, but many states send their homeless here, and others come here because of the weather,
    so it's not a fact that supports the 'CA causes homelessness" narrative

    When a president shouts "the press is the enemy of the people' and tries to get his AG to indict his opponent,
    that is a threat to liberal democracy, in the sense that that is the direction he is taking us. Baseless?
    I had to cut this list of what has been written about it by 2/3rds

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